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#Post#: 42648--------------------------------------------------
Red route ticket issued by post to old address
DIR By: PCN ticket
Date: October 27, 2024, 7:28 pm
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Hello all,
Please can I get some advice and help.
I got a ticket for parking on a red route which was on a side
road and the bus lane camera on the main road picked it up and
they sent the ticket to my old address.
I moved to new address on 26/04/22 and ticket was for 16/11/22
which was sent to my old address.
I changed my drivers license, Log book with DVLA in April 2022
and PCO license.
I then had a notice put on my car and I called the number which
was for debt collection company I was told to call TFL and they
said to call TEC and I told them on the phone and wrote to them
to say I had moved address so how could I have received or know
about the ticket. They then sent bailiff to clamp my car and I
had to pay and then I was told to apply to courts which I did
and attended court last month and was awarded by court to be
allowed to make a statutory declaration.
I called TFL and they said to call TEC and I did and they sent
an order the order of recovery is revoked and charge certificate
cancelled.
Any idea what that means and how do I get my money back of £944
please and deal with this issue.
Thanks
#Post#: 42649--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red route ticket issued by post to old address
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: October 27, 2024, 7:41 pm
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£944 paid to the bailiff? That sounds like more then one PCN?
Please post up the TEC order you have received and which ground
did you tick on the Statutory Declaration? Just redact your name
& address.
Did you receive a Notice of Enforcement from the bailiff company
before they clamped your car? Pleae post that up as well.
What happens next depends on the ground selected on the SD.
Please see the instructions for posting documents in the READ
THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/<br
/>sticky post at the top of the forum. Just redact your name and
address where present. Please leave all dates, reference numbers
and the vehicle reg visible.
#Post#: 42813--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red route ticket issued by post to old address
DIR By: PCN ticket
Date: October 29, 2024, 5:38 am
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Hi there,
Please see attached as requested
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#Post#: 42826--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red route ticket issued by post to old address
DIR By: Neil B
Date: October 29, 2024, 6:13 am
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--- Quote from: Enceladus link ---
>
> £944 paid to the bailiff? That sounds like more then one PCN?
>
--- End Quote ---
No. A single PCN + he has paid the N244 fee and had a successful
review?
#Post#: 42900--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red route ticket issued by post to old address
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 29, 2024, 9:58 am
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then I was told to apply to courts which I did and attended
court last month and was awarded by court to be allowed to make
a statutory declaration*.
*- for parking on a red route?? This should be a Witness
Statement, but maybe the court uses SD as a blanket description?
OP, it is very rare for this forum to have first-hand and
current info on the N244 process. Yours will be very useful if
you would share. But to your point:
how do I get my money back of £944 please and deal with this
issue.
First you need to break down what you've paid to date and to
whom.
Bailiff's fees - £310 or did you also pay for the removal and
storage of your car, fully refundable by TfL now;
Court registration fee - £9 and fully refundable by TfL now;
Surcharged penalty - £90 and again fully refundable now;
Penalty charge - IMO £180 refundable.
N244 application fee - IMO, not refundable unless you qualify,
to which the accompanying notes would have referred. However,
IMO you might be able to make a claim against TfL if you could
show negligence (including significant procedural impropriety)
on their part.
So you need to write to TfL claiming back the above pursuant to
the court's order that the OfR is revoked and the CC cancelled.
£310(at least)+£9+£90+£180 = £589 plus any extra charges related
to the tow and storage.
Then wait for the new PCN.
Do you have copies of any of TfL's previous notices i.e.
(presumably) postal PCN, CC and OfR.
Also, was your car clamped on your property or the highway.
#Post#: 43567--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red route ticket issued by post to old address
DIR By: PCN ticket
Date: November 1, 2024, 4:44 pm
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Hi there,
£669 was pays to the bailiff and yes I came to find the car
clamped In the morning to go to work, £275 was the court fees.
I have attached the PCN and charge certificate and the order of
recovery and these where all sent to my old address and I only
saw them when TFL sent them to court for the hearing and I was
sent a copy.
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I call TFL on Tuesday and they told me they received the court
and TEC order and will respond soon.
Thanks
#Post#: 43576--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red route ticket issued by post to old address
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: November 1, 2024, 9:24 pm
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--- Quote from: PCN ticket link ---
>
> Hi there,
>
> £669 was pays to the bailiff and yes I came to find the car
clamped In the morning to go to work, £275 was the court fees.
> I have attached the PCN and charge certificate and the order
of recovery and these where all sent to my old address and I
only saw them when TFL sent them to court for the hearing and I
was sent a copy.
>
>
HTML https://ibb.co/TPJK4zR
>
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>
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>
> I call TFL on Tuesday and they told me they received the court
and TEC order and will respond soon.
> Thanks
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£669 makes sense. £249 = TFL charges and £420 = bailif charges.
These are made up as follows.
£160 = TFL Penalty Charge = PCN
£80 = Charge Certifcate uplift
£9 = TEC registration fee
£249 = TFL total = Order for Recovery
£75 = Bailiff Compliance Stage Fee = Notice of Enforcement
£235 = Bailiff Enforcement Stage Fee = Bailiff Visit
£110 = Bailiff Sale Stage Fee (probably shouldn't have been
charged)
£420 = Bailiff Total
£275 is odd. Is it a typo? The fee for an N244 application for a
review of the Court Officer's decision on your out of time
statutory declaration is either £119 for a hearing on the papers
or £303 for a hearing in person, unless you were entitled to and
applied for fee remission. You seem to have had a hearing in
person?
How much did you actually pay in Court fees, £119 or £303? Or is
the £275 for something else?
TFL should arrange to refund the £669. They will however
re-serve the PCN. This you can, in the normal manner, pay or
challenge and then appeal. If you pay at the discount rate this
will be £80 or if you lose at Adjudication it will be £160.
I doubt if you'll ever see the court fee refunded no matter what
you actually paid.
#Post#: 44127--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red route ticket issued by post to old address
DIR By: PCN ticket
Date: November 5, 2024, 1:06 pm
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Hi
The court fee is £275
How can I get refund, should I wait for them to write to me or
ask for refund
#Post#: 78646--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red route ticket issued by post to old address
DIR By: PCN ticket
Date: June 28, 2025, 9:04 am
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Hi there,
I waited for TfL and wrote to them but no reply for months and
then I spoke to a supervisor and it was then looked but they
refused everything and referred it to the tribunal and they did
not send me any appointment to attend a hearing and yesterday I
a decision from tribunal.
Saying I have to pay the PCN, any idea what u can do now to get
my money back, any advice will be appreciated
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#Post#: 78649--------------------------------------------------
Re: Red route ticket issued by post to old address
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: June 28, 2025, 9:48 am
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Please post up a copy of the completed Witness Statement form
that you submitted to the TEC.
The Adjudicator has stated that the WS was submitted on the
ground that you submitted an appeal to the Adjudicator and had
no response? The Adjudicator says no such appeal was received.
Is that what happened?
Did TFL write to you when you asked for a refund? If so, please
post that up. Likewise when they referred the matter to the
Adjudicator did they write to you?
The only option I can see is for you to request a review of the
adjudicator's direction. These are difficult to get and need to
be submitted on time.
PS
The revoking order from the TEC dated 8th October 2024 is
missing from the status history on the TFL website.
Exactly how many Witness Statements and/or Statutory
Declarations did you submit to the TEC?
And when?
The history below suggests one on the 17th April 2023 and
another on the 26th April 2023?
and
The 3rd document in reply #2 of 29th October 2024 you mention
documents filed with the court on 9th July 2023?
and
The TEC revoking order of the 8th October 2024 refers to a WS
filed on the 8th Oct 2024. That filing date is presumably
incorrect? Is it the date of your N244 hearing?
Status history
25 June 2025Appeal Refused No Reset
N/A
13 September 2023Paid
TfL has received full payment for this PCN.
21 July 2023Late Statement Refused/Statement Not Granted
N/A
30 June 2023On Hold: SUS40 - Statutory Declaration Receipt
N/A
26 April 2023Oppose/Challenge
N/A
26 April 2023Stat Dec / Witness Statement - Out of time
N/A
26 April 2023On Hold : SUS38 - OoT Statutory Declaration Receipt
N/A
21 April 2023On Hold: SUS40 - Statutory Declaration Receipt
N/A
17 April 2023On Hold: SUS36 - OoT Statutory Declaration
Notification Received
N/A
20 March 2023Exported to Enforcement Agent(Marston Group Ltd)
N/A
20 March 2023Warrant Request Accepted
A request to issue a warrant has been accepted by the Traffic
Enforcement Centre. TfL can now instruct a Bailiff agent to
recover any outstanding debt.
30 January 2023Notice of Debt Registration Issued
A debt has been registered and an Order for Recovery has been
issued.
29 January 2023Debt Registration Accepted
The PCN has progressed and TfL has received authority to
register a debt against this vehicle.
28 December 2022Charge Certificate Batched
N/A
17 November 2022PCN Batched
N/A
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