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#Post#: 42969--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transfer of liability rejection based on historical PCN
london camden council - please help
DIR By: motion
Date: October 29, 2024, 1:23 pm
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Please see below two hire agreements
HTML https://i.imgur.com/whWZyTu.jpeg
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Re: Transfer of liability rejection based on historical PCN
london camden council - please help
DIR By: motion
Date: October 29, 2024, 1:26 pm
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--- Quote from: catnip link ---
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> [quote author=motion link=topic=3628.msg42956#msg42956
date=1730223701]
> For context we keep two Hire agreements one for buslane and
one for normal PCN to allow for easy tranfer of PCNs
>
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How does this work, does the customer not sign the agreement
when hiring, or do you get them to sign both documents?
[/quote] We ask customer to sign a templated one then we add
dates or renewals and send a copy to hirer - hirer are ok with
the changes and updates. We keep two hire agreements and send
one for buslane for buslkane offence as this needs to be
>6months while for other offence we send the normal <than 6
months in order to facilitate transfer of liability
#Post#: 42972--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transfer of liability rejection based on historical PCN
london camden council - please help
DIR By: MrChips
Date: October 29, 2024, 1:27 pm
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Just so I can understand the circumstances properly, are you
saying this is a hire period in excess of six months (with a
corresponding agreement), but in order to fit in with non bus
lane PCNs, you have another hire agreement running in parallel
of less than six months duration which (I presume) is renewed
upon expiry?
#Post#: 42973--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transfer of liability rejection based on historical PCN
london camden council - please help
DIR By: motion
Date: October 29, 2024, 1:30 pm
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
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> Just so I can understand the circumstances properly, are you
saying this is a hire period in excess of six months (with a
corresponding agreement), but in order to fit in with non bus
lane PCNs, you have another hire agreement running in parallel
of less than six months duration which (I presume) is renewed
upon expiry?
>
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Thanks Mr CHips - exactly this. Yes as can be seen in the
second picture - we add 5 monthly durations - and send a copy to
hirer
#Post#: 42974--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transfer of liability rejection based on historical PCN
london camden council - please help
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 29, 2024, 1:34 pm
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Surely it's not a bus lane contravention: Using a route
restricted to ......
#Post#: 42979--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transfer of liability rejection based on historical PCN
london camden council - please help
DIR By: MrChips
Date: October 29, 2024, 1:52 pm
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Others probably more familiar with the precise legislation but
from my googling, seems to relate to section 66 of this act
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/section/66
Cant see anything there which says you can't have more than one
hire agreement but only read it quickly. Reads to me that all
long as you furnish a hire agreement that meets the criteria it
should be ok.
#Post#: 42980--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transfer of liability rejection based on historical PCN
london camden council - please help
DIR By: motion
Date: October 29, 2024, 1:57 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
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> Surely it's not a bus lane contravention: Using a route
restricted to ......
>
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But the issue is they are comparing two PCNs..
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Re: Transfer of liability rejection based on historical PCN
london camden council - please help
DIR By: motion
Date: October 29, 2024, 2:04 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Surely it's not a bus lane contravention: Using a route
restricted to ......
>
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But the issue is the hire agreement dates not the contravention
#Post#: 42995--------------------------------------------------
Re: Transfer of liability rejection based on historical PCN
london camden council - please help
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 29, 2024, 2:37 pm
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No it's not. The point I'm trying to make is that you have
posted part of a 'Notice of Rejection' so we don't know when
this was issued or what it says about appealing or the
legislation under which it was issued and therefore what it
should state or whether you've missed this boat......
So, post the full notice and let's see where you are.
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Re: Transfer of liability rejection based on historical PCN
london camden council - please help
DIR By: motion
Date: October 29, 2024, 4:18 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> No it's not. The point I'm trying to make is that you have
posted part of a 'Notice of Rejection' so we don't know when
this was issued or what it says about appealing or the
legislation under which it was issued and therefore what it
should state or whether you've missed this boat......
>
> So, post the full notice and let's see where you are.
>
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They rejected the representation and have sent us TRibunal
Form
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