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#Post#: 42443--------------------------------------------------
Speeding fine paid followed by SJP
DIR By: frikvis
Date: October 26, 2024, 5:48 am
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Hi - I've recently received my first 2 speeding fines in 20
years. Unfortunately it was on an A-road dual-carriageway, with
a new average speed check camera I was unaware of it.
As a result I received 2 fines on the same day - 1 for each way.
I paid and completed a speed awareness course for the first and
considered the matter closed. I then paid the fine for the 2nd
and considered the matter closed.
Both of these was in May 2024. I accepted guilt in both cases
and send back a S172 containing my driver licence details.
Yesterday (25/10) I received a SJP for one of the offences. In
addition I've received 2 emails implying that I'm being refunded
for the 2 FPN's already paid.
I'm a bit lost here as I do not understand why this happened and
it is not being explained in the SJP.
I'd appreciate some guidance on how to progress with this in a
way to minimise cost and penalty points. Also how can I find out
what I did wrong here?
Kind Regards
F.
#Post#: 42446--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding fine paid followed by SJP
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: October 26, 2024, 5:59 am
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Presumably one FPN, since you got a course for one of the
offences?
Did you only supply your driving licence details in response to
the s 172 notice, or also in response to the FPN? You have to do
both. If you didn’t, then you didn’t comply with the terms of
the FPN, hence why you’re being prosecuted.
You can plead guilty, explain what happened and ask to be
sentenced at the same level as the FPN. The court might agree
but you might still end up with additional court costs and a
victim surcharge.
#Post#: 42630--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding fine paid followed by SJP
DIR By: frikvis
Date: October 27, 2024, 4:40 pm
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Hi - to be honest, I cannot remember if I supplied it for both.
However, I assume I did as I have received a copy of the
completed (by me) S172 with my drivers licence details completed
as part of the SJP.
Also, yes, 1 FPN as I did the course.
Kind Regards
F.
#Post#: 42633--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding fine paid followed by SJP
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: October 27, 2024, 5:06 pm
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--- Quote from: frikvis link ---
>
> Hi - to be honest, I cannot remember if I supplied it for
both. However, I assume I did as I have received a copy of the
completed (by me) S172 with my drivers licence details completed
as part of the SJP.
>
> Also, yes, 1 FPN as I did the course.
>
> Kind Regards
> F.
>
--- End Quote ---
Unfortunately I suspect that the requirement to supply your
licence details in order to comply with the COFP is not
satisfied by you having previously submitted your details when
replying to the s172 request.
Daft I know, but many people seem to fall foul of this
requirement.
#Post#: 42640--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding fine paid followed by SJP
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: October 27, 2024, 5:52 pm
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--- Quote from: frikvis link ---
>
> Hi - to be honest, I cannot remember if I supplied it for
both. However, I assume I did as I have received a copy of the
completed (by me) S172 with my drivers licence details completed
as part of the SJP.
>
--- End Quote ---
I don’t know why you assume you did. Completing the s 172 notice
doesn’t mean you supplied your details in reply to the COFP. The
fact you now have an SJPN suggests that you didn’t.
#Post#: 42657--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding fine paid followed by SJP
DIR By: frikvis
Date: October 28, 2024, 3:42 am
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Hi
Thanks for your advice. It's much appreciated.
Is there a way to confirm / find out why you've received the
SJP?
Kind Regards
F.
#Post#: 42704--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding fine paid followed by SJP
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: October 28, 2024, 10:40 am
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It usually says why in the statement from the tubby. Otherwise
you would need to ask the central ticket office.
#Post#: 43611--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding fine paid followed by SJP
DIR By: frikvis
Date: November 2, 2024, 7:25 am
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Hi
Thanks for all the replies.
In terms of the SJP - can this be cancelled and the FPN charge
reinstated?
What is the implication of this? Do I get a criminal record,
like for any other "serious" crime?
Kind Regards
F.
#Post#: 43612--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding fine paid followed by SJP
DIR By: 666
Date: November 2, 2024, 7:39 am
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--- Quote from: frikvis link ---
>
> Hi
>
> Thanks for all the replies.
>
> In terms of the SJP - can this be cancelled and the FPN charge
reinstated?
>
> What is the implication of this? Do I get a criminal record,
like for any other "serious" crime?
>
> Kind Regards
> F.
>
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No. What you can do is plead guilty (you are) and, in the
Mitigation section, explain the circs (briefly) and ask the
court to consider fining you at the FP level.
No criminal record, it's not a recordable offence.
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Re: Speeding fine paid followed by SJP
DIR By: frikvis
Date: November 2, 2024, 8:57 am
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Thanks!
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