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#Post#: 42215--------------------------------------------------
PCN - TFL - Code 46 Stopped where prohibited but stuck behind
lorry - Tooting
DIR By: mang0
Date: October 24, 2024, 4:47 pm
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Council Name: TfL
Location: Tooting
Code: 46
Alleged Contravention: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route
or clearway)
PCN SCAN
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/18CBxG-m0Rk6fLPs-1TtJFyhlm07QniYh/view?usp=sharing
GMAPS Location
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4282172,-0.1678876,3a,75y,19.56h,84.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7UKUyzJSYSYrRp8ahwo7eA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAyMS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Hello everyone,
As ever... back for more advice! I seem to love getting PCNs.
A few days back I was riding my motorbike down Tooting High
Street: GMAPS link
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4282172,-0.1678876,3a,75y,19.56h,84.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7UKUyzJSYSYrRp8ahwo7eA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAyMS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D.<br
/>There were roadworks along the road, and traffic was extremely
heavy. On top of this, a large lorry was stationary in front of
a pub, blocking the road just round the junction.
As such, I was forced to stop behind the lorry right after I
turned onto the road. My bike was too wide to lane split and
continue down the road.
I was stationary for a couple of minutes behind the lorry
(engine still running), reset the directions on my GPS and then
continued when I was able to get back into the traffic.
Today I received a PCN with Code 46, saying I had stopped where
prohibited on a red route or clearway. This feels a bit
ridiculous/unfair as there was not anywhere I could move the
bike at that point, due to the Hobgoblin Ale truck blocking the
road!
Any advice on this would be appreciated, as I would like to
contest based on the fact that the images they have of me
stopped is a period of 1 minute, and I was stuck behind the
lorry and unable to be anything but stationary. I was not
parked, I did not switch off the engine, I paused behind the
lorry blocking my way for a minute or so and then continued
along my route.
Thanks all.
#Post#: 42228--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - TFL - Code 46 Stopped where prohibited but stuck
behind lorry - Tooting
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 24, 2024, 6:48 pm
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Fair enough, but their sole evidence is a video which we need to
see.
You can phone TfL and ask for the video which they will send as
a DVD, (yes, they are a bit behind the times at TfL, everybody
else has the video on-line !).
When they have told you that they will send the DVD, they freeze
PCN progress for 2 weeks, (make sure they tell you this !!) then
restart it. They assume you will have got the DVD by then, but
sometimes it doesn't arrive, so you need to put a date in your
diary to contact them again if the DVD hasn't turned up.
#Post#: 42255--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - TFL - Code 46 Stopped where prohibited but stuck
behind lorry - Tooting
DIR By: Fluffykins
Date: October 25, 2024, 3:23 am
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Was it that the TfL cameras weren't properly certified/approved
evidential devices? If so, is the situation still ongoing?
#Post#: 42328--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - TFL - Code 46 Stopped where prohibited but stuck
behind lorry - Tooting
DIR By: mang0
Date: October 25, 2024, 9:45 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Fair enough, but their sole evidence is a video which we need
to see.
>
> You can phone TfL and ask for the video which they will send
as a DVD, (yes, they are a bit behind the times at TfL,
everybody else has the video on-line !).
> When they have told you that they will send the DVD, they
freeze PCN progress for 2 weeks, (make sure they tell you this
!!) then restart it. They assume you will have got the DVD by
then, but sometimes it doesn't arrive, so you need to put a date
in your diary to contact them again if the DVD hasn't turned up.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you for this - I have spoken to TfL and they are sending
me the DVD with the footage on it. They have said it can take up
to 28 days to arrive, but the PCN will be frozen for that amount
of time. They said to keep an eye on it online (currently under
code SUS20 and marked as on hold) and have given me a reference
code I can quote if necessary to prove I had asked for the DVD
and the PCN is on hold.
Will report back once I have the footage!
#Post#: 49528--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - TFL - Code 46 Stopped where prohibited but stuck
behind lorry - Tooting
DIR By: mang0
Date: December 12, 2024, 10:20 am
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Just as an update here - I have not received any footage yet.
The PCN is still listed as on hold, and I have chased TFL once
again to send me the footage. Obviously 28 days since the
issuance of the PCN has passed, but they have told me on the
phone that until the PCN is taken off hold (either footage
dispatched or another reason) then it is still on hold and I am
only liable for the £80 as it stands.
Extremely frustrating. I have been told to call back again if I
have not received anything within 10 working days. With
Christmas coming up I don't have much hope...
#Post#: 52053--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - TFL - Code 46 Stopped where prohibited but stuck
behind lorry - Tooting
DIR By: mang0
Date: January 5, 2025, 3:51 pm
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Sigh... I've still not received anything, it is marked as 'On
Hold' and yet online the charge value has now increased from £80
to £160. I will phone them again tomorrow.
I imagine I'll have a pretty good leg to stand on to get them at
least to reduce it to £80 given that they told me it would not
increase while I was waiting, and I have continously chased
them?
#Post#: 52234--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - TFL - Code 46 Stopped where prohibited but stuck
behind lorry - Tooting
DIR By: mang0
Date: January 7, 2025, 5:35 am
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Phoned TFL again - they have reduced back to £80 and have told
me to phone back on the 15th Jan if the footage still hasn't
arrived. This whole process is insane. It must have cost them
more in staff time on the phone to me, packaging the DVD and
sending than it would have to send me the footage digitally.
#Post#: 52235--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - TFL - Code 46 Stopped where prohibited but stuck
behind lorry - Tooting
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 7, 2025, 5:39 am
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--- Quote from: mang0 link ---
>
> Phoned TFL again - they have reduced back to £80 and have told
me to phone back on the 15th Jan if the footage still hasn't
arrived. This whole process is insane. It must have cost them
more in staff time on the phone to me, packaging the DVD and
sending than it would have to send me the footage digitally.
>
--- End Quote ---
TfL are in the Dark Ages. I think all London councils now put
photos and videos on-line. Quite why TfL send out DVDs when most
people's IT kit doesn't even have a reader for them !
#Post#: 52337--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - TFL - Code 46 Stopped where prohibited but stuck
behind lorry - Tooting
DIR By: mang0
Date: January 7, 2025, 4:58 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> TfL are in the Dark Ages. I think all London councils now put
photos and videos on-line. Quite why TfL send out DVDs when most
people's IT kit doesn't even have a reader for them !
>
--- End Quote ---
Someone I spoke to wondered if TfL bought 1000s of DVDs for this
years ago, and are still working through an old stockpile of
them so that it's not a wasted cost - although I'm sure it's
costing them more to do this way now!
#Post#: 52979--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN - TFL - Code 46 Stopped where prohibited but stuck
behind lorry - Tooting
DIR By: mang0
Date: January 11, 2025, 11:57 am
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Finally have received my DVD from TfL - how exciting.
HERE
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tHN-p_Q9hLkSSi-DZ0EazWKCpZOWikQG/view?usp=drive_link<br
/>is the footage link on my Google Drive - weirdly, they have
cut
the video off before I drive back into the traffic. You can see
I cannot fit the bike through the gap by the Hobgoblin truck and
the rest of the traffic. I pulled in behind the truck and put my
hazards on so as not to obstruct cyclists/other road users from
squeezing down the side of the truck. Reset my GPS (you can even
see me looking around for my bearings!) and then I continued on
my way (not shown as the video ends).
If the Hobgoblin truck had not been there blocking the road, I
would not have stopped there.
Any advice on how best to make my representation to challenge
this would be much appreciated.
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