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Havering - Stopping in a Box Junction - 31J Station
Road/Branfill Road, RM14
DIR By: jays86
Date: October 22, 2024, 11:59 am
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Just received a PCN through the post. My partner was driving at
the time, I think she's fairly bang to rights, but just wondered
if there's any grounds for appeal here?
Thanks!
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Re: Havering - Stopping in a Box Junction - 31J Station
Road/Branfill Road, RM14
DIR By: mickR
Date: October 22, 2024, 12:31 pm
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viewing video requires asking for permission. can you make it
public.
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Re: Havering - Stopping in a Box Junction - 31J Station
Road/Branfill Road, RM14
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 22, 2024, 12:33 pm
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You are right - this is a slam dunk contravention.
We may be able to find something on the PCN or website.
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Re: Havering - Stopping in a Box Junction - 31J Station
Road/Branfill Road, RM14
DIR By: jays86
Date: October 22, 2024, 12:56 pm
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Thought so, was clutching at straws as could really do without
the extra expense. If you spot anything in the PCN please do let
me know!
[member=75]mickR[/member] - apologies,
[member=2249]stamfordman[/member] very kindly shared above for
me
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Re: Havering - Stopping in a Box Junction - 31J Station
Road/Branfill Road, RM14
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 22, 2024, 1:21 pm
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I expect your wife thought the car ahead would go through the
lights - if the car had stopped at a green light inexplicably
that could have been a case....
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Re: Havering - Stopping in a Box Junction - 31J Station
Road/Branfill Road, RM14
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: October 22, 2024, 1:27 pm
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The PCN and their website are pants.
Please go onto the site as if to challenge and screenshot and
report back.
The PCN contains two lists of grounds which do not tally with
each other. There is no ground re allowing the vehicle to rest
and there is no ground re traffic order being invalid.
I have two cases pending shortly on this. I will draft later as
I am supposed to be on holiday.
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Re: Havering - Stopping in a Box Junction - 31J Station
Road/Branfill Road, RM14
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: October 22, 2024, 1:37 pm
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I make these formal representations against PCN
1.The PCN contains two lists of grounds, one of which wrongly
includes a ground re the traffic order being invalid which,
itself, invalidates the PCN. Further, in both lists there is
yet another ground which is incorrect as it too belongs to
another legislation: the vehicle had been permitted to rest etc.
2. The PCN does not include the option to pay by post.
Therefore, in light of the above, please cancel it as the PCN is
unenforceable. Should you not agree to do so, I will take the
matter to adjudication if necessary.
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Edited. Leave the website for the Tribunal. This mirrors a case
won a few months ago.
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Re: Havering - Stopping in a Box Junction - 31J Station
Road/Branfill Road, RM14
DIR By: jays86
Date: October 22, 2024, 3:01 pm
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[member=24]Hippocrates[/member] appreciate the reply whilst on
holiday! I might be wrong but I can see options to pay by post
on the PCN. Also, I just tried to submit informal reps based on
your post above and it says an NTO has been sent...
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Re: Havering - Stopping in a Box Junction - 31J Station
Road/Branfill Road, RM14
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 22, 2024, 4:16 pm
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Your Havering webpage extracts show the complete shite that is
the Havering website related to PCNs.
There is NO informal representations stage with a moving traffic
PCN that is sent by post to the keeper of the vehicle.
A response saying a Notice to Owner has already been sent is
also wildly misleading to those who don't know the law and the
regulations. Havering are well known as a bunch of chysters when
it comes to PCNs and their enforcement, so if it were me, I'd
follow Hippocrates advice and take them all the way to London
Tribunals and hold their hand to the fir.
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Re: Havering - Stopping in a Box Junction - 31J Station
Road/Branfill Road, RM14
DIR By: jays86
Date: October 23, 2024, 1:33 am
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We'll have a go and see where it ends up! Is it just a case of
copying [member=24]Hippocrates[/member] post to submit as reps?
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