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#Post#: 49320--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow - Outside Markings
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: December 11, 2024, 6:06 am
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Don't pay. I'm pretty certain you've done enough to register the
appeal and one of the grounds for a witness statement is:
You appealed to the adjudicator against the rejection by the
enforcement authority of your representations but had no
response to the appeal
#Post#: 49321--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow - Outside Markings
DIR By: dave-o
Date: December 11, 2024, 6:17 am
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Thanks, I would certainly do this if it were me, but he may well
be sick of this after a year of being on hold to the TEC...!
For what it's worth I do appreciate that normally the most
likely explanation would be that he lost the form. However he
is quite elderly but an old skool financial advisor, and he
meticulously files literally everything, even the envelopes they
arrive in.
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Re: Harrow - Outside Markings
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 11, 2024, 6:49 am
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If the tribunal are happy to step outside procedure, fine, just
go with it.
All that's needed now is the case no.
The appellant can add further details even up to the date of the
hearing.
IMO, the keeper may not engage the TEC procedure because a NOR
has been issued, it's just deficient in some details. The fact
that the tribunal has been contacted bears witness to the fact
that it was received.
#Post#: 49468--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow - Outside Markings
DIR By: dave-o
Date: December 12, 2024, 4:20 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
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>
>
> IMO, the keeper may not engage the TEC procedure because a NOR
has been issued, it's just deficient in some details. The fact
that the tribunal has been contacted bears witness to the fact
that it was received.
>
--- End Quote ---
And how about this ground?:
You appealed to the adjudicator against the rejection by the
enforcement authority of your representations but had no
response to the appeal
If the email rep is taken to have been received (as per their
instructions) and yet the enforcement process continues, is this
not a valid ground?
At the moment it's a choice between paying a completely winnable
and completely cynically-administrated (on the part of the
council) fine or not.
#Post#: 49471--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow - Outside Markings
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: December 12, 2024, 4:58 am
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I think you're good to go on this.
What exactly did the tribunal say?
What did you send?
What acknowledgement did you get?
#Post#: 49474--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow - Outside Markings
DIR By: dave-o
Date: December 12, 2024, 5:04 am
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Tribunal:
Their instructions (by telephone):
- Send it to queries@londontribunals.org.uk
- Mark it "urgent"
- Include a copy of the NOR and an outline of the appeal
(all of this was done)
Received so far:
Automatic Response
Thank you for contacting London Tribunals.
If your email is in relation to a personal appeal hearing
scheduled to take place in the next 2/3 days, please contact our
call centre during opening hours on 020 7520 7200.
London Tribunals is committed to taking action to ensure that
the way we work does not place people with disabilities at a
disadvantage. If you have any concerns about your requirements
during the appeals process, we may be able to make reasonable
adjustments to mitigate those concerns. More information on
reasonable adjustments and how to contact us about them can be
found on our website:
HTML https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/about/reasonable-adjustments-tribunal-users.<br
/>
If you wish to submit evidence in support of an appeal that you
made via our website, please go to www.londontribunals.gov.uk
and upload your evidence through the 'Online Appeals' option.
If you do not have an appeal, or you did not appeal via the
website, correspondence can be sent to London Tribunals, PO Box
10598, Nottingham, NG6 6DR or to this email address.
Details of our opening hours are on our website at
www.londontribunals.gov.uk. Please have your case reference
number to hand when you call.
If your email is in relation to an appeal already registered
with us or a Statutory Declaration/Witness Statement that has
been referred to us by the Enforcement Authority, it will be
added to your case for consideration.
If you wish to register an appeal, please note that the quickest
way to do this is through our website www.londontribunals.gov.uk
or to complete the Notice of Appeal form. Please only submit
your appeal once, either electronically or by post.
*Please note: TFL do not currently support our online website
therefore, please sent all correspondence via our postal address
The Notice of Appeal form should have accompanied the Notice of
Rejection sent to you by the Enforcement Authority. You can send
the form to us by post (details are contained on the form). If
you did not receive a Notice of appeal form, please contact the
Enforcement Authority directly to request a copy.
Further information about London Tribunals and the appeals
process is available on our website: www.londontribunals.gov.uk
Yours sincerely,
London Tribunals
n.b. re "If you did not receive a Notice of appeal form, please
contact the Enforcement Authority directly to request a copy."
their phone number tells you to get lost, and they have not yet
replied to the email, so this doesn't work.
#Post#: 49507--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow - Outside Markings
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 12, 2024, 7:12 am
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To whom was the NOR addressed?
If the keeper, then what in what you've submitted informs the
tribunal that you have the keeper's permission to act on their
behalf?
#Post#: 49514--------------------------------------------------
Re: Harrow - Outside Markings
DIR By: dave-o
Date: December 12, 2024, 8:09 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> To whom was the NOR addressed?
>
> If the keeper, then what in what you've submitted informs the
tribunal that you have the keeper's permission to act on their
behalf?
>
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I'm not sure why they would think otherwise, as it wasn't
formally signed by anyone. Name, Address VRM, PCN no. included
on the appeal to identify the case. No name stated on the
actual email.
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