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Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
DIR By: maripop00
Date: October 22, 2024, 3:43 pm
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Guys, thanks for all the discussion but I do feel like I am
being judged here more than being helped, which is what I was
recommened to come here for.
By judged, I mean, people seem to be looking for things that
arent there.
Regarding car tax....you don't have to purchase a minimum of 6
months - you can buy car tax on a direct debit , for example if
you were to tax your car today - the data will show it's valid
until October 2025, but you are still paying monthly and can
cancel it / sorn it at any point and data will reflect that
month of cancelled tax.
In my case, I was in and out of the country for the past year,
however was in the UK beginning of 2024 until April 2024, when I
bought the car, obviously registered it to my UK address, but
got offered a job abroad a few weeks later and decided to take
the car with me. Car Tax was on a direct debit and completely
forgot to cancel/sort it in April, so only done this in July,
hence it is showing July. Straightforward.
Secondly, there was no PCN's that arrived to my UK address from
TfL, as I mentioned in my first post, that we did have problems
with post during the summer period, once a week postal service
or non at all at time.
The first I heard about this fine was the CDER letter that come
to my UK address, hence why I am here to ask for advice on how
to deal with it now.
Should any letters arrived from TfL, of course the fine would
have been paid as I know that my ignorance to ULEZ is my fault,
but I was not given the opportunity to deal with it.
#Post#: 41925--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 22, 2024, 4:26 pm
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Sorry about all the "third degree, hard cop, soft cop" stuff,
but its very important to get answers and a full view of the
situation if useful advice is to be given.
The bottom line for me is that the debt is still outstanding.
Nothing I have read so far tells me anything that will result in
the debt being extinguished. OK, the bailiffs may go back to the
council and tell them "we can't enforce the debt, sorry", and
the council then write it off, but they're not going to tell you
they have done this. So you might come back to the UK in the
future and suddenly get different bailiffs at your door when
you thought it had all gone away.
#Post#: 41927--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
DIR By: maripop00
Date: October 22, 2024, 4:37 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Sorry about all the "third degree, hard cop, soft cop" stuff,
but its very important to get answers and a full view of the
situation if useful advice is to be given.
>
> The bottom line for me is that the debt is still outstanding.
Nothing I have read so far tells me anything that will result in
the debt being extinguished. OK, the bailiffs may go back to the
council and tell them "we can't enforce the debt, sorry", and
the council then write it off, but they're not going to tell you
they have done this. So you might come back to the UK in the
future and suddenly get different bailiffs at your door when
you thought it had all gone away.
>
--- End Quote ---
Just seems extremely unfair due to no fault of my own, I am now
dealing with Bailiffs and a significant amount of money. If I
was given the opportunity to pay the original fine, should I
have known about it, would have been sorted in no time. Seems
like the whole system is set up to get people into debt with
Bailiffs.
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Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
DIR By: mickR
Date: October 22, 2024, 5:22 pm
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what did dvla do/say when you declared the car for export?
re the tax I would have thought you would get automatic
cancellation if it was being exported??
#Post#: 41946--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: October 22, 2024, 8:48 pm
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I suggest that the OP phones TFL to confirm the address used on
the PCN, Charge Cert and Order for Recovery. Was it Mum's
address or was it some other address? Probably be hard work to
find out but three documents lost in the post suggests they
weren't sent to Mum's address. The alternative being that they
were ignored.
And clarity with dates would help.
10th April 2024 the V5c was updated. Is that the purchase date
of the car or what?
21st April 2024 the car was allegedly driven into the ULEZ zone.
Did the car leave the ULEZ on the same day?
Then the car was exported. But when? June 2024 or was it April
10th 2024?
#Post#: 41947--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
DIR By: Pressman
Date: October 22, 2024, 9:00 pm
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maripop00
You may resolve this swiftly and decisively.
Your mother should make a statutory declaration affirming that
she has no association with the debtor and is the sole owner of
the property, including any vehicles therein.
Once the declaration is formally sworn, serve it upon TfL and
the bailiff company, ensuring you obtain a certificate of
posting for proof of service.
This action will extricate your mother's address from the
enforcement proceedings, allowing you to disengage entirely.
While others may delve into the minutiae of postal issues,
suggesting you pursue extensive correspondence with TfL and
compile timelines, such efforts will likely prove unproductive.
This pragmatic approach focuses on an expeditious and definitive
solution that aligns with your objective. It is about taking
direct, impactful action to resolve matters swiftly and
effectively without unnecessary complications.
#Post#: 41950--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 23, 2024, 2:21 am
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OP, your account is still unclear. We are trying to help but
this is a legal process and until we know what's what IMO it's
asking too much to get the appropriate advice in the
circumstances if we don't know what these are.
You keep referring to 'your UK address'. You also refer to
living 'in Cheshire'. You also referred to 'we have difficulty
with the Royal Mail'(presumably at your Cheshire address), in
addition you refer to 'your mother's address' and then we have
bailiffs attending a premises where your mother lives.
As so many others have said and what I understand is the basis
of Pressman's post* and my previous suggestion regarding your
mother's position:
The DVLA keeper address is/was A;
A is your mother's permanent address, but not your's/A is your
Cheshire address and your mother lives elsewhere/A is neither?
[member=2185]Pressman[/member]:
Your mother should make a statutory declaration affirming that
she has no association with the debtor and is the sole owner of
the property, including any vehicles therein.
IMO, we still do not know this to be true from the OP's account.
It might be, but we cannot know from the OP's account.
Recommending submission of a legal notice when determinate
issues are unknown is placing the OP's mother in even more of a
predicament.
And as per Enceladus, this doesn't resolve the OP's problem as
regards the debt.
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Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
DIR By: Pressman
Date: October 23, 2024, 2:43 am
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Understanding that Maripop00 is overseas and beyond the
jurisdiction of debt enforcement, we must focus on solutions
within our expertise. We excel in assisting individuals to
resolve their issues through the appropriate legislation;
therefore, I recommended submitting a statutory declaration as a
proactive measure.
It's perfectly acceptable for Maripop00 to leave the matter and
allow TFL and its company to proceed independently. They possess
the full authority of Parliament and the legal profession to
recover unpaid traffic debts, and it's not our responsibility to
advocate on their behalf. I understand this board is dedicated
to supporting drivers rather than authorities.
#Post#: 41974--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 23, 2024, 5:56 am
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Looking at this from a distance, the debt must be part of the
£380 million uncollected fines for ULEZ contraventions, so this
is either the biggest well of work for bailiffs ever, or a huge
potential write-off for TfL. Let's hope maripop00's case is put
into the "too difficult" basket !
HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced1dg42n5zo
#Post#: 41977--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
DIR By: Pressman
Date: October 23, 2024, 6:04 am
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A leaked article from the Civil Enforcement Agents Association's
newsletter to its bailiff company members, re-shared on the
Telegram app, revealed that bailiff companies successfully
recover only one-third of traffic debt cases assigned to them.
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