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Re: Manchester City Council - Code 12 - Parked in a "Permit
Parking Zone" but sign blocked and not clear
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 20, 2024, 5:10 pm
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There are only four pics.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/42YSpck.png
#Post#: 41609--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester City Council - Code 12 - Parked in a "Permit
Parking Zone" but sign blocked and not clear
DIR By: Phantomcrusader
Date: October 20, 2024, 5:38 pm
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--- Quote from: iffy_jiffy link ---
>
> [member=904]Phantomcrusader[/member] does this mean that the
ticket they've issued is incorrect?
>
> Thanks,
> Irfan.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think so but for now, keep it simple and follow what CP has
suggested. My contribition can be used later on if needed.
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Re: Manchester City Council - Code 12 - Parked in a "Permit
Parking Zone" but sign blocked and not clear
DIR By: iffy_jiffy
Date: October 21, 2024, 4:55 am
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Hi [member=1]cp8759[/member], i've submitted this and taken a
copy of the confirmation.
I'll update as soon as i get a reply.
Thanks all,
Irfan.
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Re: Manchester City Council - Code 12 - Parked in a "Permit
Parking Zone" but sign blocked and not clear
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 21, 2024, 5:28 am
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C'est la vie.
There is no reason IMO why the OP shouldn't make
straightforward reps on the grounds of 'penalty
exceeded....circumstances of the case'. I doubt they* really
want to prolong this matter any more than absolutely necessary.
OP, your defence is clear:
A lorry was parked where NOT permitted(there's a waiting and
loading prohibition in place...for the very good reason that
this prevents traffic having to move to the centre of the
carriageway when making the turn AND gives visibility to the
single sign conveying the restriction).
There aren't any other signs visible to a driver once they are
within the restricted area.
It's not the council's fault that the sign was obstructed, but
neither was it the driver's and no liability falls to them
because they didn't see the sign.
OP, your proof that the lorry was in situ when the contravention
occurred is the CEO's photos which are apparently bolstered by
your own**.
GSV shows clearly that the first 30m of this road has been a
problem for the council for many years because despite clear DYL
and no loading at any time kerb markings (and in apparent
desperation additional cones at times)vehicles still park and
obscure the single sign.
OP, I cannot imagine why, given the above, you would not want to
put your substantive case to the authority at the earliest
opportunity.
*- who is the registered keeper?
**- whose photo of the rear of the lorry, yours? Given the time
the PCN was issued, could you estimate when you parked?
#Post#: 41648--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester City Council - Code 12 - Parked in a "Permit
Parking Zone" but sign blocked and not clear
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 21, 2024, 5:47 am
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I agree HCA - after all the OP figured out what was what and it
could well have been cancelled at first stage.
At least the car looks way too old to be leased.
#Post#: 41834--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester City Council - Code 12 - Parked in a "Permit
Parking Zone" but sign blocked and not clear
DIR By: iffy_jiffy
Date: October 22, 2024, 6:09 am
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[member=2249]stamfordman[/member] @h c anderson
Correct - the car is not leased
I am not the registered keeper, my father is
The photo of the rear of the lorry is mine. Taken after the
ticket was given
Not sure when the car was parked there. May have been half an
30/45mins or less?
Thanks all,
Irfan.
#Post#: 43336--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester City Council - Code 12 - Parked in a "Permit
Parking Zone" but sign blocked and not clear
DIR By: iffy_jiffy
Date: October 31, 2024, 10:34 am
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All, any idea how long it takes to get a reply from Manchester
City Council following the the appeal/dispute? This was
submitted on 21/10.
Thanks,
Irfan.
#Post#: 43350--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manchester City Council - Code 12 - Parked in a "Permit
Parking Zone" but sign blocked and not clear
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 31, 2024, 11:19 am
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There isn't a period set in regs.
I suspect that the council might mention aspirational targets
somewhere on its website.
You either receive a response or your father gets a NTO some
time after 12 Dec.
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Re: Manchester City Council - Code 12 - Parked in a "Permit
Parking Zone" but sign blocked and not clear
DIR By: iffy_jiffy
Date: October 31, 2024, 11:46 am
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Thanks @h c anderson
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Re: Manchester City Council - Code 12 - Parked in a "Permit
Parking Zone" but sign blocked and not clear
DIR By: iffy_jiffy
Date: November 9, 2024, 4:05 am
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Morning all, [member=1]cp8759[/member]
[member=2249]stamfordman[/member]
[member=904]Phantomcrusader[/member] @h c anderson - i've had a
reply from the Council. Letter has been uploaded - see links.
Content of the letter has been copied in below too.
I could simply reply and state the sign was clearly blocked by
getting a clear by the large vehicle. Thoughts?
HTML https://imgur.com/a/manchester-city-council-parking-fine-reply-1-55BmTJK
HTML https://imgur.com/a/manchester-city-council-parking-fine-reply-2-96FXIYF
***
Thank you for your enquiry, which we received on 21 October
2024.
You were issued with a PCN for parking in a resident permit zone
without displaying a
resident's permit or holding a valid E-Permit.
I have noted your comments and can confirm that the location
where you parked your vehicle
is within the resident permit zone. Signs are in place at entry
points into the zone which
advises drivers of the restrictions in place. As these
restrictions are standardised within the
zone, additional signs are not needed. The way we sign the
restrictions is compliant with the
current legislation .All residents and visitors must have a
permit to park within the resident
permit zone during the operational hours of the scheme. It is
the responsibility of the motorist
to be aware of the parking restrictions and park in accordance
to them.
I have carefully considered your case and I am satisfied that
your PCN was issued correctly,
and as such, I have taken the decision not to cancel it.
To view images taken at the time your PCN was issued, please
visit
www.manchester.gov.uk/parking
You have these choices:
1. The PCN will be reduced to £35.00 if it is paid within 14
days from the date this letter was
served.
2. If you do not pay the PCN within 14 days of this letter
being served, the charge will
increase to £70.00.
3. If the PCN is not paid or successfully challenged, the
Council may serve a Notice to Owner
(NtO) after 28 days of the PCN being served on the owner of the
vehicle requiring payment of
the full PCN. The owner can then make representations to the
Council and may appeal to an
independent adjudicator if those representations are rejected.
The NtO will contain
instructions for doing this.
HOW TO PAY- Online at www.manchester.gov.uk/parking and follow
the links to Pay PCN. - By telephone credit/debit card payments
only. Use our automated payment line 0161 234
5006 (24 hours, seven days a week).Please have your vehicle
details and PCN number
ready.- In person at any PayPoint, you will need to take your
PCN to allow the barcode to be
scanned.
Yours sincerely
M Chan
Parking Services Officer
Parking Services
***
Thanks all,
Irfan.
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