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Re: PCN Code 71 for not charging electric car
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 26, 2023, 3:51 pm
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--- Quote from: ConfusedD link ---
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> She also mentioned that appeals wouldn't be considered, as
fines for parking in such spaces without charging an electric
vehicle are uniform across the UK.
>
--- End Quote ---
If the council confirmed that in writing (i.e. that appeals
won't be considered), you'd have an instant win. Frankly they
sound so disorganised that they might just do that.
--- Quote from: ConfusedD link ---
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> I have obtained the council's email address, and I plan to
send an email this evening.
>
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The council's email address is on page 3 of the notice to owner,
so I'm not sure why you say you have "obtained" it?
Can you please show us what you've sent?
#Post#: 6188--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Code 71 for not charging electric car
DIR By: ConfusedD
Date: September 27, 2023, 3:08 am
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--- Quote from: ConfusedD link ---
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> I have obtained the council's email address, and I plan to
send an email this evening.
>
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The council's email address is on page 3 of the notice to owner,
so I'm not sure why you say you have "obtained" it?
Can you please show us what you've sent?
[/quote]
see, I didn't realise that the email address is actually on the
NTO. The administrator didn't understand when I mentioned "t’s &
c’s," so she simply advised me to send an email to
parkingappeals@peterborough.gov.uk, which is the same email
provided in the informal rejection email. However, now that
you've pointed it out, I noticed that the email in the NTO is
different parking.appeals@peterborough.gov.uk.
Here is the email sent to the council
Dear Sir/Madam
While I acknowledge the rejection of my appeal, it's important
to note that there is a lack of signage in the parking area
specifying that electric vehicles must be plugged in and
actively charging to avoid a penalty. This signifies an
inadequacy in the existing signage. The rejection letter
suggests that the signage contains this information, but the
signage on-site merely indicates that there is a charge for
electricity supply and designates the parking spaces for
electric cars. Given this, I parked my car there as it is
electric. To further clarify the signage, could you please
provide a photograph of the image that communicates "the effect
of the on-street traffic signs in the terms and conditions of
use of the car park"? This would be greatly appreciated.
Thanking you
#Post#: 6285--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Code 71 for not charging electric car
DIR By: ConfusedD
Date: September 28, 2023, 8:10 am
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The council responded to my message, stating that the signage is
present at the pay and display station. This pay and display
machine is located inside a room on the ground floor of the
parking area. When we entered the car park, we received the
parking ticket at the entrance, where there is no mention of
these terms and conditions. Additionally, in the electric car
parking space, there is no display of these conditions. So, we
would not be aware of these rules until we go to the pay station
to pay. Unfortunately, by that time, it's already too late as we
have already received the PCN.
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#Post#: 6317--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Code 71 for not charging electric car
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: September 28, 2023, 4:15 pm
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For a T&C board that is as much use as a warning sign in the
middle of a minefield.
You asked in writing, got that back in return.
Don't ask again but keep this for adjudication.
The reply makes it clear that as a T&C board it is not fit for
purpose, lacking in information and likely only be seen as a
motorist is going to pay on leaving.
Saying that contraventions are on the Order is as much use as
saying guess... the motorist has no way of accessing the order
easily or when in the car park.... guess wrong and cop a PCN,
ridiculous.
#Post#: 6410--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Code 71 for not charging electric car
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 30, 2023, 6:08 am
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I would make a very simple challenge to the notice to owner:
[indent]
Dear Peterborough City Council,
I challenge liability for this penalty charge because the
alleged contravention did not occur. This is because there was
no adequate signage either in the vicinity of my vehicle, or on
my route out of the car park.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
I'm happy to represent you at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal when
they reject.
#Post#: 6490--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Code 71 for not charging electric car
DIR By: ConfusedD
Date: October 1, 2023, 12:50 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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> I would make a very simple challenge to the notice to owner:
>
> [indent]
> Dear Peterborough City Council,
>
> I challenge liability for this penalty charge because the
alleged contravention did not occur. This is because there was
no adequate signage either in the vicinity of my vehicle, or on
my route out of the car park.
>
> Yours faithfully,
> [/indent]
>
>
> I'm happy to represent you at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal
when they reject.
>
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Appreciate your support and rely on your expertise cp8759,
I will send this challenge to the council and keep you posted on
their response.
#Post#: 7426--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Code 71 for not charging electric car
DIR By: ConfusedD
Date: October 14, 2023, 9:17 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> I would make a very simple challenge to the notice to owner:
>
> [indent]
> Dear Peterborough City Council,
>
> I challenge liability for this penalty charge because the
alleged contravention did not occur. This is because there was
no adequate signage either in the vicinity of my vehicle, or on
my route out of the car park.
>
> Yours faithfully,
> [/indent]
>
>
> I'm happy to represent you at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal
when they reject.
>
--- End Quote ---
I have received the rejection letter yesterday, I have attached
the letters.
please let me know if the picture quality is insufficient.
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Re: PCN Code 71 for not charging electric car
DIR By: ConfusedD
Date: October 14, 2023, 9:18 am
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More pictures
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#Post#: 7437--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Code 71 for not charging electric car
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 14, 2023, 10:42 am
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As they've not reoffered the discount it's a no-brainer to carry
on as there is no risk in appealing (the penalty cannot go up if
you lose as long as no deadlines are missed, but if you win it
goes down to £0).
I'll drop you a PM about the next steps.
#Post#: 11090--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Code 71 for not charging electric car
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: November 24, 2023, 7:39 am
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Outcome
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1EYULlBFtn-UifWhP9kzD5M6yv0vySPBx.
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