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Greenwich Bus Lane Woolwich RD Maynor Park - Enforcement Notice
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: October 18, 2024, 4:28 am
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The Original PCN is dated 15th Aug for the contravention being
in bus lane at Woolwich RD SW BOUND MARYON PARK (14733) on 7th
Aug. I did a forum search here and register in London Tribunal.
Found one where appeal was allowed
HTML https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=14952:70::INITIALISE::70:P70_CAS_REFNO,P70_PCN_REFNO,P70_RETURN_PAGE,P70_AST_CODE:1586841,2966776,60,APPEAL&cs=3Qv05Z1TZw-IIjk9tkzIERkrFBbegTF50imxDnWPAgksXtgZYnUMTngWW6RyhB6M4hhP8lGtNOIgb4oEmKgictQ<br
/>due to definition of approved devices. Informal appeal was put
on through council's website. In the meantime I asked to put on
FOI for the type of CCTV used at the location. A letter headed
as "Enforcement Notice" dated 11th Oct 2024 is received
demanding full £130 stating this is in regards to the previously
issued PCN.
1) Contravention date 7th Aug for being in bus lane at Woolwich
Road SW Bound Maryon Park
2) PCN dated 15th Aug received by post
3) Informal appeal lodged via council's website
4) Rejection Letter dated 4th Sep received. Rejection Letter
HTML https://ibb.co/n8dwR5y
4) A Letter "Enforcement Notice" dated 11th Oct received.
Enforcement Notice
HTML https://ibb.co/zxFzh38
Not sure if the process has been changed but thought it should
have been a Notice of Rejection after the informal appeal? As
for the current situation, do we need to wait for the NOR and
relevant forms?
Ediit: I don't have the copies of the PCN and other documents at
the moment. I've asked to forward the scanned ones as the ones
sent via phone are of very poor quality.
Edit1: Rejection and Enforcement Notice attached.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/y8swM46/GB-Bus-Lane.jpg
#Post#: 41318--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich - No Notice of Rejection but Enforcement Notice
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 18, 2024, 4:35 am
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London bus lanes have a two state process like windscreen
parking PCNs.
The rejection either went missing in the post or they didn't
issue one.
You can now make formal reps which will probably be the same as
initially plus saying you got no rejection.
We can advise more if we see the PCN and your challenge.
#Post#: 41322--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich - No Notice of Rejection but Enforcement Notice
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: October 18, 2024, 4:53 am
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Apologies. There is a Rejection letter and on back page clearly
states that the Enforcement Notice will be sent if not paid
within 28 days.
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Re: Greenwich - No Notice of Rejection but Enforcement Notice
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: October 18, 2024, 5:21 am
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Still looking for the informal letter that was sent but initial
draft looks like this:
--- Quote ---
> the alleged contravention did not occur. I have reviewed the
evidence and it does not show my vehicle in a bus lane in the
vicinity of Maryon Park. the footage appears to be of
approaching Stone Lake Roundabout which is approx. half mile
from the alleged location.
>
> I have requested FOI for the make and model of the CCTV used
to enforce this location. I would like to refer you to case no
2230405862 decided on 26th Oct 2023 where the adjudicator
allowed the appeal based on the fact that the CCTV used by
Greenwich Council to enforce bus lane PCN was found to be not of
the prescribed device as is a requirement under paragraph 7 (2)
of Schedule 1 of London Local Authorities Act 1996.
>
> If you wish to continue pursuit of this PCN, please also
attach the relevant certificate for the CCTV used to enforce
contravention at this location showing approval by the Secretary
of the State. It will be a waste of Council's time and
taxpayer's money if the council is to pursue this PCN in full
knowledge if CCTV used is not of approved type. It was not my
intention to use the bus lane to beat the traffic and rather it
was a manuevere taken too early to safely use the intended lane.
>
--- End Quote ---
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Re: Greenwich - No Notice of Rejection but Enforcement Notice
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: October 18, 2024, 5:30 am
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Replies to FOI:
HTML https://i.ibb.co/ZXJ9ST1/FOI-2459-Redacted.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/SJb5jYS/Bus-Lane-VCA-Certificate-Redacted.jpg
#Post#: 41349--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich Bus Lane Woolwich RD Maynor Park - Enforcement
Notice
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: October 18, 2024, 6:31 am
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OK, please hang on a minute. I won a case against Greenwich and
costs a few months ago. Each case is decided on its own merits.
I will draft a formal representation later today. And based on
your case.
They must attend any hearing. They did not in the case I
mentioned and they failed to understand the law.
2240260143
#Post#: 41670--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich Bus Lane Woolwich RD Maynor Park - Enforcement
Notice
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: October 21, 2024, 7:39 am
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Dear Greenwich
1. Your evidence does not show any upright signs passed: neither
a 958 nor 959.
2. I put you to strict proof that the camera used to captured
the alleged contravention satisfies the criterion of
admissibility of evidence at the Tribunal.
In light of the above, please cancel the EN and PCN.
#Post#: 42675--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greenwich Bus Lane Woolwich RD Maynor Park - Enforcement
Notice
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: October 28, 2024, 6:32 am
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Thanks. Will post back once got the reply.
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Re: Greenwich Bus Lane Woolwich RD Maynor Park - Enforcement
Notice
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: October 28, 2024, 4:21 pm
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--- Quote from: ghostivv link ---
>
> Thanks. Will post back once got the reply.
>
--- End Quote ---
That's the one.
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Re: Greenwich Bus Lane Woolwich RD Maynor Park - Enforcement
Notice
DIR By: ghostivv
Date: November 5, 2024, 3:12 am
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Received the Notice of Rejection. The form looks straight
forward but not sure between personal or postal hearing type.
Also Do we need to put the same full arguments on the appeal
details>
Thanks
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