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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: 666
Date: October 15, 2024, 3:45 am
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> Its obviously a money spinning junction and they could not
care less for the safety of pedestrians or drivers else they
would have amended the signals positionjs
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The junction is designed, installed and maintained by the
Highway Authority (e.g. local council). Any fines and fixed
penalties go to the Treasury.
How is it money-spinning?
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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: mickR
Date: October 15, 2024, 4:05 am
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> [quote author=roythebus link=topic=3451.msg40763#msg40763
date=1728943678]
> Are the traffic lights visible in the pictures from the
cameras? We haven't seen those yet.
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We have:
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which show clearly no obstruction of the left hand lights on
this occasion.
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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: wantmymoneyback
Date: October 15, 2024, 4:07 am
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You can’t see the light to the left or the right when sitting at
the junction. Only the one across from the junction that is
obscured from the lorry.
Anyway only came here for some advice. I shall accept the
penalty
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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: BertB
Date: October 15, 2024, 4:25 am
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What is the alleged time into red on the NIP?
You may get offered a course. It costs around the same but
avoids the COFP offer of 3 points and £100. But it does depend
on time into the red as to whether it is offered or not.
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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: wantmymoneyback
Date: October 15, 2024, 4:27 am
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Time into red 0.9 seconds. Amber time 2.9 seconds
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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: Dave Green
Date: October 15, 2024, 5:11 am
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--- Quote from: wantmymoneyback link ---
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> You can’t see the light to the left or the right when sitting
at the junction. Only the one across from the junction that is
obscured from the lorry.
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But how about when approaching the lights?
There are no vehicles shown in the pictures that would have
blocked your view of the left hand light when approaching the
junction and this light must have been red or amber when you
were getting close to the stop line.
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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: wantmymoneyback
Date: October 15, 2024, 5:26 am
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I was sitting there at the line unable to see the lights to my
right and left and not blocking the junction. The lorry started
to move so i moved forward then saw the light was red and
stopped without crossing the junction. i probably sat there for
under 5 seconds however missed the full amber and then the red
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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: sparx
Date: October 15, 2024, 11:55 am
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Ultimately look at the risk/reward of not accepting their offer,
versus accepting.
- Accepting the course (if offered) costs you £100 or so, a few
hours of your time, and no points.
- Accepting the points and fine costs you the fine, the points
for 3 years, and you have however many less points til you tot
(or if a new driver, your licence revoked)
- Rejecting both costs you a huge (£500+, probably closer to a
grand), the points for jumping a red, lots of time wasted and
stress.
(3) is the most expensive and most risky.
From looking at GSV and the photos, whilst the lights are fairly
close to the stop line (3.1m on the RHS), whilst I appreciate
you are in a lower vehicle and surrounded by larger vehicles, I
expect you could have seen at least one of the lights by moving
your head and/or body (and if you could not see any of them, you
should not have proceeded). The big thick stop line is a big
hint it's traffic light controlled, along with the other lights
in the junction to your left.
I regularly use a junction where the light across the junction
is out, and the other lights are only 2m from the stop line, and
whilst you do need to turn your head, you can see them whilst
stopped at the stop line.
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