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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: October 14, 2024, 2:37 pm
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--- Quote from: wantmymoneyback link ---
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> ... The road goes from 4 lanes to 3. so I was concentrating on
that and could not see the traffic lights to my right and left
and the one in front was obscured by the lorry.
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> Please see link to the junction.
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HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/5Ut6FicPF5k1frQeA
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> I am not trying to "get Off". Just am not a traffic light
jumper which is why I stopped without crossing the junction as
soon as I saw the light was red.
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I presume then that part of your car must have crossed the stop
line when you couldn't actually see the lights and didn't
realise they'd turned red. I believe that that is generally
accepted to be jumping the lights.
I think you should have done what NewJudge said. If you
couldn't see the lights you should have waited for the traffic
ahead of you to clear so that you could see the lights before
proceeding - or not proceeding...
#Post#: 40746--------------------------------------------------
Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: wantmymoneyback
Date: October 14, 2024, 2:57 pm
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Whilst in hindsight you are correct that I should have stopped,
my question is would a judge side with me?
Please see attached photos
HTML https://www.imagebam.com/view/GACSPS
At this junction I had the added pressures of the 2 lanes
merging into 1.
Maybe I just take the 3 points……
#Post#: 40748--------------------------------------------------
Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: October 14, 2024, 3:02 pm
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Contravening a red light is not an offence that requires intent,
so whether you meant to do it or knew you were doing it is
irrelevant.
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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: wantmymoneyback
Date: October 14, 2024, 3:11 pm
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--- Quote from: Southpaw82 link ---
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> Contravening a red light is not an offence that requires
intent, so whether you meant to do it or knew you were doing it
is irrelevant.
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Thanks. What makes a crossing legal?
The fact I have posted on a forum and have had 2 people respond
who know the junction and say the traffic lights are hard to see
seems to strengthen the case that possibly the junction doesn't
conform with the rules?
#Post#: 40752--------------------------------------------------
Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: October 14, 2024, 3:27 pm
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S. 36 RTA 1988 and TSRGD 2016.
You should definitely challenge this one. Just tell the court
that 2 anonymous posters on the internet agreed that it can be
easy for the lights to be obscured, and the court will throw the
case out so fast that Kier Starmer will lose his CPS pension.
#Post#: 40757--------------------------------------------------
Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: wantmymoneyback
Date: October 14, 2024, 3:40 pm
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I am just saying that the chances oif finding 2 out of less than
200 people who have read this thread, know the junction and
agree with me.
Its obviously a money spinning junction and they could not care
less for the safety of pedestrians or drivers else they would
have amended the signals positionjs
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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: October 14, 2024, 4:12 pm
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> Whilst in hindsight you are correct that I should have
stopped, my question is would a judge side with me?
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Going back a few hundred yards on GSV and turning round, it is
as clear as day that you are approaching a major junction. I
would think that most drivers would realise that and also
suspect the junction was controlled. As a result, they would
exercise considerable caution until they found out.
That's how I think a court would see it and so, no, I don't
think they would side with you.
--- Quote ---
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> What makes a crossing legal?
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Certainly nothing in the circumstances you describe.
There's one other aspect you might like to consider: accepting a
fixed penalty will cost you £100. Being convicted following a
trial will cost you ten times that.
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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: roythebus
Date: October 14, 2024, 5:07 pm
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As the road goes uphill you can clearly see the traffic lights.
Except if traffic is heavy and there's buses and lorries about.
As per the google maps example with a bus conveniently in the
way. But a lorry in lane 3 or 4 would obstruct the view of the
traffic lights. You also failed to see the 2 yellow cameras on
the left. Beyond the junction I think 3 goes into 2 for short
distance then widens out past the bus stop to 3 again as the
road drops down to Hendon Central.
Are the traffic lights visible in the pictures from the cameras?
We haven't seen those yet.
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Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: October 14, 2024, 5:19 pm
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--- Quote from: roythebus link ---
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> Are the traffic lights visible in the pictures from the
cameras? We haven't seen those yet.
>
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We have:
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HTML https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEWL905]https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/f8/2d/e4/MEWL905_t.jpeg[/URL]<br
/>
#Post#: 40787--------------------------------------------------
Re: jumping a red light. view blocked by lorry
DIR By: d612
Date: October 15, 2024, 3:20 am
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--- Quote from: wantmymoneyback link ---
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> Thanks. What makes a crossing legal?
>
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You may only move across the stop line when the lights are on
red if personally directed to do so by a police officer in
uniform.
Where I live there are a set of traffic lights on a urban dual
carriageway with no way around them for the emergency services.
It is relativly common to see traffic stopped at the red lights
with no intention of moving under any circumstances and behind
them is a police, fire or ambulance vehicle with lights etc
blaring and no one moves.....until they change to green.
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