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#Post#: 40536--------------------------------------------------
Statutory Declaration/Witness statement filled up and sent on
time but TEC did not process it .
DIR By: eanp83
Date: October 13, 2024, 9:24 am
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Afternoon everyone
I hope you having great weekend.
I've had a PCN from Lambeth I filled up the Form PE3 (Statutory
Declaration/Witness statement) on time and then I sent to the
following email tec@justice.gov.uk I've received the email
confirmation but they didn't process it and now I received the
Bailiff letter (CDER GROUP) to pay the amount of £515 if not
they will seize my belongings.
I called to TEC about it but I just been told to send an email
as UNPROCESSED DOCUMENT to the same email tec@justice.gov.uk
I've sent them a couple email and they refuse to process it due
to I haven't sent on time before but I did.
any advise would be greatly
appreciated
HTML https://imgur.com/a/0pUzl1Q
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#Post#: 40539--------------------------------------------------
Re: Statutory Declaration/Witness statement filled up and sent
on time but TEC did not process it .
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: October 13, 2024, 9:39 am
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I see two emails from the TEC. What dates are they?
The Statutory Declaration looks like the copy that would have
been included with an Order for Recovery (of unpaid penalty
charge) insofar as parts are pre-completed. What dates are on
the OfR or better yet please post up a scan or photo of the OfR.
Just redact your name & address. Leave everyting else visible.
Please post up the CDER letter. Only redact your name & address
You best bet is likely to be to resubmit the SD with an Out of
Time application. This will need to be carefully worded to
maximise the chances, if any, of it being accepted. So get it
scutinised here first.
The Statutory Register at the London Tribunals show that you
were 'directed' to pay the PCN in October 2022 consequential to
an earlier Statutory Declaration. Are you saying that you never
received the email and/or letter from the Tribunal?
There's a 20 month gap between the Adjudicator's direction order
and your latest Statutory Declaration. What's happened in
between? Did the bailiff visit?
We need the whole history to make any sense of this otherwise it
will end badly.
"PCN Details
PCN LJ20253810
Contravention date 09 Mar 2022
Contravention time 17:02:00
Contravention location Central Hill
Penalty amount GBP 130.00
Contravention Entering and stopping in a box junction
Direction Date 04 Oct 2022
Adjudicator By Order of the Chief Adjudicator
Review decision Direction made
Direction Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid
within 28 days.
Reasons The adjudicator required you to produce evidence to
support your witness statement/declaration.
You have not responded and /or the penalty has not been paid."
#Post#: 40573--------------------------------------------------
Re: Statutory Declaration/Witness statement filled up and sent
on time but TEC did not process it .
DIR By: Neil B
Date: October 13, 2024, 2:17 pm
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You've read Enceladus question but not replied?
Additionally, I'm surprised by the box you've ticked on the
latest Statutory Declaration. Did you really register an appeal
with the tribunal?
And is that what you also ticked last year?
It's impossible to pull the wool over the adjudicator's eyes on
such things ---- or did you just tick the wrong box?
--- Quote from: Enceladus link ---
>
> We need the whole history to make any sense of this otherwise
it will end badly.
>
> "PCN Details
> PCN LJ20253810
> Contravention date 09 Mar 2022
> Contravention time 17:02:00
> Contravention location Central Hill
> Penalty amount GBP 130.00
> Contravention Entering and stopping in a box junction
> Direction Date 04 Oct 2022
> Adjudicator By Order of the Chief Adjudicator
> Review decision Direction made
> Direction Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid
within 28 days.
> Reasons The adjudicator required you to produce evidence to
support your witness statement/declaration.
> You have not responded and /or the penalty has not been paid."
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 40579--------------------------------------------------
Re: Statutory Declaration/Witness statement filled up and sent
on time but TEC did not process it .
DIR By: eanp83
Date: October 13, 2024, 3:36 pm
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Thanks for your response
Whole history is I work as Private hire driver, and due to the
nature of my work PCN comes easily even if is not my fault and
is really annoying sometimes so I been recommended a person who
deal with PCN for a small fee, some occasions went ok I would
say.
after a some PCNs I realised how he works, He first do Informal
Appeal if is been rejected then I guess Formal appeal if is
rejected again then wait for the OfR after that go for Statutory
Declaration/Witness statement well you might know the process o
you might imagine the whole history now. The only thing that I
had to do is send a photo of any letter that comes and this
person will deal with so at the stage of OfR send the PE3 Form
in order to TEC cancel the OfR but on this time for some reason
TEC didn't process it the SD even after receiving the
confirmation of the reception.
thanks for your advice
please find attached some Docs that I found CDR as well.
HTML https://imgur.com/a/bEA8Lzv
HTML https://imgur.com/a/bEA8Lzv
#Post#: 40587--------------------------------------------------
Re: Statutory Declaration/Witness statement filled up and sent
on time but TEC did not process it .
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 13, 2024, 4:38 pm
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--- Quote ---
> so I been recommended a person who deal with PCN for a small
fee,
--- End Quote ---
Looks like this is the source of your trouble. Looking at the
SD you have shown us, it has in the "reasons" slot why you got
the PCN, (I missed the sign due to traffic etc) . Sorry, but a
Statutory Declaration has nothing to do with appealing against
the PCN, it is a court document concerning your non-receipt of
enforcement documents. It seems to me you need to rethink if
this person is serving your interests.
#Post#: 40621--------------------------------------------------
Re: Statutory Declaration/Witness statement filled up and sent
on time but TEC did not process it .
DIR By: regis
Date: October 13, 2024, 8:28 pm
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--- Quote from: eanp83 link ---
>
> I been recommended a person who deal with PCN for a small fee
... I realised how he works
>
HTML https://imgur.com/a/bEA8Lzv
HTML https://imgur.com/a/bEA8Lzv
>
--- End Quote ---
- So did the recommended person (for a small fee) complete (fill
in) your Statutory Declaration for you OR did you after
realising how the recommended person works, having used the
recommended person's services previously, complete (fill in) the
Statutory Declaration yourself by copying his statement?
- TEC has indeed given you the correct advice that you must send
proof to TEC via email, with the Subject: UNPROCESSED FORMS (PCN
NUMBER), enclosing your original email to TEC, enclosing the
attached form, proving you had submitted the correctly completed
form in time to TEC. Subsequently contact TEC via telephone to
notify TEC of your email (unprocessed form) including the time
and date.
-
I've been in the exact same situation, as you, so I hope that
satisfies your question?
#Post#: 40657--------------------------------------------------
Re: Statutory Declaration/Witness statement filled up and sent
on time but TEC did not process it .
DIR By: Neil B
Date: October 14, 2024, 6:05 am
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--- Quote from: eanp83 link ---
>
> He first do Informal Appeal if is been rejected then I guess
Formal appeal if is rejected again then wait for the OfR after
that go for Statutory Declaration/Witness statement well you
might know the process o you might imagine the whole history
now.
>
--- End Quote ---
NO, this is NOT the correct process.
You need to give us the full history of correspondence for the
pcn concerned.
#Post#: 40666--------------------------------------------------
Re: Statutory Declaration/Witness statement filled up and sent
on time but TEC did not process it .
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 14, 2024, 6:39 am
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The evidence suggests you are in deep trouble:
HTML https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=14952:70::INITIALISE::70:P70_CAS_REFNO,P70_PCN_REFNO,P70_RETURN_PAGE,P70_AST_CODE:1535713,2902458,60,APPEAL&cs=3tvzF_ZBS9RX0bjEhSwlUwothyiZNv7G9JmLyeAdzxZQKV8p2JgyWRfH_fWsaFTuiG8U7EaWn7DhnE7FCkP_t8Q
This shows that you have had your case adjudicated and were
directed to provide evidence in support of a previous contention
and submission to TEC:
The adjudicator required you to produce evidence to support your
witness statement/declaration.
You have not responded and /or the penalty has not been paid.
Date 4 Oct. 2022!
You have been pursued by Lambeth possibly by letter and
certainly by Charge Certificate and OfR which again you're
looking to challenge, but your grounds are baseless unless you
can show that you were not notified in writing of the above
decision - or to put it another way, if the tribunal could show
that they wrote to you then you could not prove the opposite.
I fear you might have costs awarded against you if you continue
what appears to be vexatious behaviour.
But maybe the above is incorrect - which is why we need your
full history as per NeilB.
#Post#: 40668--------------------------------------------------
Re: Statutory Declaration/Witness statement filled up and sent
on time but TEC did not process it .
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 14, 2024, 6:42 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> The evidence suggests you are in deep trouble:
>
>
HTML https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=14952:70::INITIALISE::70:P70_CAS_REFNO,P70_PCN_REFNO,P70_RETURN_PAGE,P70_AST_CODE:1535713,2902458,60,APPEAL&cs=3tvzF_ZBS9RX0bjEhSwlUwothyiZNv7G9JmLyeAdzxZQKV8p2JgyWRfH_fWsaFTuiG8U7EaWn7DhnE7FCkP_t8Q
>
> This shows that you have had your case adjudicated and were
directed to provide evidence in support of a previous contention
and submission to TEC:
>
> The adjudicator required you to produce evidence to support
your witness statement/declaration.
> You have not responded and /or the penalty has not been paid.
>
> Date 4 Oct. 2022!
>
> You have been pursued by Lambeth possibly by letter and
certainly by Charge Certificate and OfR which again you're
looking to challenge, but your grounds are baseless unless you
can show that you were not notified in writing of the above
decision - or to put it another way, if the tribunal could show
that they wrote to you then you could not prove the opposite.
>
> I fear you might have costs awarded against you if you
continue what appears to be vexatious behaviour.
>
> But maybe the above is incorrect - which is why we need your
full history as per NeilB.
>
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This is NOT about the original contravention and PCN, this is
history and you are not in a position to reopen the matter. This
is about procedure and your, the council's, ETA's and
TEC's(original involvement in 2022) actions.
#Post#: 40673--------------------------------------------------
Re: Statutory Declaration/Witness statement filled up and sent
on time but TEC did not process it .
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: October 14, 2024, 8:11 am
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The "reminder" letter from CDER dated the 9th Sept 2024 shows
that they're looking for a total of £895. There's £515 against
the PCN we started with and a further £380 oustanding against
ANOther unknown PCN.
The PCN number is not on the letter and I can't reconcile the
£380. Perhaps you have an agreed payment plan and didn't keep up
with the payments? Or what else has happened?
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