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#Post#: 40170--------------------------------------------------
NOIP 24 in 20 zone
DIR By: gm1985
Date: October 10, 2024, 7:52 am
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I have received a notice of intended prosecution for – Speeding
– exceed 20 mph – Local Order – manned equipment at 15:34 on
04/10/2024
At MOOR ROAD, HEADINGLEY, between Weetwood Lane and B6157 Shaw
Lane, Leeds
The speed of the vehicle on this occasion was recorded at 24 mph
(not recorded for red light offences)
For variable speed limit offences only, the speed limit at the
time was mph.
Extra information:
The section of road in question was 0.4 miles, is this a too
large an area, do they need to be more specific?
I did a Speed Awareness Course more than 3 years ago
Conditional offer of fixed penalty notice received 16/11/22
which was accepted and paid on 23/12/22 – this was an SP30 fine
– 37 in a 30 area.
Please can you advise on the best course of action and am I
likely to receive another speed awareness course.
Thank you in advance.
#Post#: 40171--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP 24 in 20 zone
DIR By: gm1985
Date: October 10, 2024, 7:55 am
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This is the area in question:
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/place/53°49'35.7%22N+1°34'32.0%22W/@53.826571,-1.575546,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d53.826571!4d-1.575546?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwNy4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
#Post#: 40174--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP 24 in 20 zone
DIR By: Logician
Date: October 10, 2024, 8:08 am
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I doubt very much whether any court would consider that distance
too great to specify. I see no reason why you should not get the
offer of another course, that will not be affected by the other
offence.
Incidentally, SP30 does not refer to a 30mph limit it simply
means SP30 Exceeding the statutory speed limit on a public road
#Post#: 40177--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP 24 in 20 zone
DIR By: gm1985
Date: October 10, 2024, 8:15 am
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Thank you Logician.
I have also emailed the West Yorkshire Police asking for a TRO
for this section of road.
#Post#: 40188--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP 24 in 20 zone
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: October 10, 2024, 8:45 am
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> I have also emailed the West Yorkshire Police asking for a TRO
for this section of road.
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It is usually the relevant local authority which issues and
keeps the TRO. In this case, Leeds City Council I should think.
#Post#: 40192--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP 24 in 20 zone
DIR By: gm1985
Date: October 10, 2024, 8:49 am
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Thank you NewJudge
I suspect the TRO will be up to date but it might be worth
having a look
#Post#: 40195--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP 24 in 20 zone
DIR By: gm1985
Date: October 10, 2024, 9:01 am
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Having looked at google maps, the repeater 20mph sign on the
lamp post is missing prior to where the camera van was parked,
could this help my case.
#Post#: 40214--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP 24 in 20 zone
DIR By: Rallyman72
Date: October 10, 2024, 10:22 am
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Google Streetview is dated 2022, as such it is prior to the date
of the offence by quite a while and cannot be relied upon, you'd
need to know what signs were in place and the distance between
them on the date of the offence in order to even start to run
that as a defence. Additionally the repeaters do not have to be
on every lamppost but at least once every 200yds (183m according
to TSRGD guidance which is something like every 6th or 7th
lamppost).
#Post#: 40215--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP 24 in 20 zone
DIR By: gm1985
Date: October 10, 2024, 10:27 am
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The street view I’m looking at was June 2024, but I will go in
person and check
#Post#: 40228--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP 24 in 20 zone
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: October 10, 2024, 11:35 am
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> "...you'd need to know what signs were in place and the
distance between them on the date of the offence in order to
even start to run that as a defence.
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By which time the out-of-court disposals will be off the table
and you will be gambling a possible acquittal against something
in the order of £1,000 by way of a fine, surcharge and costs. A
course (the most likely outcome) or a fixed penalty will come in
at £100.
Also bear in mind there are differences in the guidance between
20mph limits and 20mph zones. Finally, there is no specific
requirement to provide repeater signs, only recommendations. It
is for the traffic authority to determine how many are required
and where they are placed. If you defend the charge on the basis
of inadequate signage, the court will be asked to consider
whether the limit was "adequately conveyed." Can you confidently
argue that it was not?
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