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#Post#: 40122--------------------------------------------------
TFL - 50L - Balls Pond Road - Performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: M456
Date: October 10, 2024, 5:21 am
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Hi All,
Do I have any grounds to appeal this PCN?
The vehicle, which made a prohibited turn, is a company lease.
TFL issued the PCN directly to the company without contacting
the lease provider. I believe TFL has relied on documents they
received from the lease provider over a year ago.
PCN:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/10K7GwLFlsJdJ45rKVdRFGRMRdblY1eIM/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/10K7GwLFlsJdJ45rKVdRFGRMRdblY1eIM/view?usp=sharing
#Post#: 40131--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50L - Balls Pond Road - Performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 10, 2024, 5:43 am
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I can't see how they can do this as the car could have been
sold, reallocated etc.
#Post#: 40134--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50L - Balls Pond Road - Performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 10, 2024, 5:59 am
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Presumably you have contacted the lease company to find out
whether they have received a PCN ?
The obvious representation is to say that the firm are not, and
never were the owner of the vehicle. That should kick it into
touch for a bit.
#Post#: 40167--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50L - Balls Pond Road - Performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: M456
Date: October 10, 2024, 7:44 am
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The leasing company has not received the PCN. I will confirm
that we are not the registered owners of the vehicle.
Is it possible for the PCN to be reissued to the leasing
company? As I know that once they receive it, they will charge
us an administration fee when transferring liability.
Aside from the liability aspect, are there any grounds on which
we could appeal the PCN?
Thank you
#Post#: 40251--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50L - Balls Pond Road - Performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 10, 2024, 1:37 pm
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Of course, to avoid the lease company admin fee, you could just
proceed from receipt of the PCN as a normal recipient would.
As for grounds to appeal, you need to tell us much more. The
video is the sole evidence of the contravention so we need to
see it. You can either download it yourself and post it here,
or give us the PCN Number and car reg for us to look at it
ourselves.
#Post#: 40277--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50L - Balls Pond Road - Performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: M456
Date: October 10, 2024, 3:56 pm
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There isn't a video on the TFL website, just three images. One
showing the vehicle at the junction, the other with it having
turned left and one with a close up of the registration
Pic 1:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CSifwgkOReoKmanl18J1wDTdG5aKAD7W/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CSifwgkOReoKmanl18J1wDTdG5aKAD7W/view?usp=sharing
Pic 2:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/19iogdwvR1oKwJYBNKxam93FfG_C0MMsB/view?usp=sharing
The location on Google is:
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5460982,-0.0759859,3a,75y,37.27h,73.97t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sSTDvsV9P_DeH9OaO8prVKA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D16.028676135176283%26panoid%3DSTDvsV9P_DeH9OaO8prVKA%26yaw%3D37.26971950641366!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
#Post#: 40283--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50L - Balls Pond Road - Performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 10, 2024, 4:34 pm
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TFL still only sends videos on DVD, which is a pain.
This junction is near me and you won't get out of the
contravention as it's clearly signed no left and no right.
A procedural mishap in issuing the PCN may be the only avenue.
#Post#: 46216--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50L - Balls Pond Road - Performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: M456
Date: November 19, 2024, 8:51 am
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Hi All,
The grounds used for representation were 'not the owner of the
vehicle at the time....'
TFL have now responding requesting evidence to prove the hire
agreement was terminated before the date of the contravention.
Seemingly relying on previous documents.
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bmGZVWhDjyLIoNQgMUWkTQtsNNHxFG6J/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bmGZVWhDjyLIoNQgMUWkTQtsNNHxFG6J/view?usp=sharing
What should the next step of action be? The boxed ticked was not
being the owner, which the company never has been.
#Post#: 46225--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50L - Balls Pond Road - Performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 19, 2024, 10:27 am
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I don't know if authorities are allowed to keep hire agreements
on record and not start afresh with each contravention. I would
have thought not as it assumes ownership is still the same.
Someone else will know.
#Post#: 46354--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL - 50L - Balls Pond Road - Performing a prohibited turn
DIR By: M456
Date: November 20, 2024, 6:46 am
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Does anyone else have a view on this?
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