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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: Sheppy100
Date: October 9, 2024, 4:08 am
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We airbed the vehicle as soon as we got into France… the v5 went
to the local prefecture so it could be exported into their
system we have a copy of the log book (carté gris) for France….
We are trying to contact all the relevant bodies but it’s very
difficult especially calling them from France
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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 9, 2024, 4:25 am
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"airbed"
??
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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: Sheppy100
Date: October 9, 2024, 4:31 am
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Airbed… sorry should have been “sorned” auto correct 🙄
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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 9, 2024, 4:33 am
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Dart Charge contact centre is usually very helpful - call 0300
300 0120. Among authorities that issue PCNs they are about the
most benign.
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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: Sheppy100
Date: October 9, 2024, 4:37 am
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We have emailed them, tried to phone also but it’s difficult
from France and potentially very expensive as we only have
French mobiles.
I think we’ll just have to wait it out and see what happens… the
enforcement agents, in theory can’t take any possessions from my
mums as we do not have anything of ours there.
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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 9, 2024, 5:46 am
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the enforcement agents, in theory can’t take any possessions
from my mums as we do not have anything of ours there.
And they'll take your mum's word for this?
I think we’ll just have to wait it out and see what happens
Really? For the sake of a few pounds of tel. calls you're
prepared to potentially have her subjected to bailiff action. Oh
well.
IMO, pay the bailiffs. If they'll accept the pre-£235 sum good.
This gets your mother off the hook.
Then in a slow, measured fashion you can set about finding out
what's what. And after you've submitted a Subject Access
Request(SAR) to DART you'll have all the documents and can
submit your OOT to TEC.
Paying the bailiffs has NO effect on TEC's final decision and
essentially if they accept your reasons for submitting your SD
late and revoke the Order for Recovery you get your money back.
SAR - is a data protection issue, nothing to do with traffic
contraventions as such. They're required to provide you with the
personal info you request which in this case would be all their
correspondence, including the initial PCN.
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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: roythebus
Date: October 9, 2024, 5:48 am
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That may be the case, they can't take what isn't there. The Dart
Charge people are usually quick at answering, the cost of an
international phone call will be less stressful than dealing
with bailiffs from afar. You should have notified DVLA that the
car was permanently exported. There is a slip on the V5 for
that. Presumably the car now has a French registration? If so,
how come the Dart cameras read a UK plate on your car? Has it
ever been on the Dartford crossing?
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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: roythebus
Date: October 9, 2024, 5:54 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> VRM gives a silver Vauxhall - status SORN. MOT expired 12 Jan
2018. Last logbook issued 15 August 2017 - that address will be
where they initially sent a PCN.
>
> But no such PCN on Dart system - in fact no outstanding PCNs.
Suggest you call Dart as this looks like a plate misread or
maybe clone but no PCN outstanding is odd unless their system
closes them when moved to enforcement.
>
--- End Quote ---
I found out very recently the Dart charge and Dart PCNs are run
by different companies. I recently changed car and added it to
my online account the following day. I phoned Dart charge to
make sure there wasn't any outstanding charges on that car, the
chap assured me there wasn't and nothing for the previous day's
journey. A week later I get a PCN for that day. It turned out
that a crossing made prior to being on the account has to be
paid for separately. The two don't talk to each other. Both lots
were very helpful on the phone and the penalty charge was
dropped on payment of the norml crossing charge. You can't get
fairer than that. This info posted for future reference. :)
#Post#: 39963--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: Sheppy100
Date: October 9, 2024, 6:17 am
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The v5 was taken off of us by the préfecture they said they
would notify DVLA uk… the vehicle had never been over the dart
crossing as far as I’m aware… yes it is on French plates since
2017
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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 9, 2024, 6:23 am
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--- Quote from: Sheppy100 link ---
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> Airbed… sorry should have been “sorned” auto correct 🙄
>
--- End Quote ---
So all that you did when you arrived in France was declare SORN.
And that is confirmed by the DVLA data.
This means that the car record is still live on their data base,
and when DART requested name and address details from the DVLA
they supplied the information. Looking at the V5C for my car,
there is Section 5 "Permanently exporting this vehicle for more
than 12 months". So did you fill this section in and send it
off to the DVLA ?
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