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Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: Sheppy100
Date: October 8, 2024, 3:29 pm
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Hi
Have received an enforcement notice from CDER Group saying we
have to pay £192.50 and if it’s not paid by 06:00 am on 09/10;24
they will send enforcement agents to our property.
The contravention occurred on 23/12/23 and a warrant was issued
on 24/07/24.
We live in France, in 2017 the vehicle was exported to France
and has a French number plate. We sold the car in France in May
2023. The car is still in France.
At DVLA it has an export marker and no PCN’s outstanding.
The letter arrived at my mothers address in Bournemouth where
our driving licenses our registered.
Called CDER they advised to call TEC (transport enforcement) in
Northampton, DVLA and Dartford police, (he then back tracked and
said he didn’t say to call the police) no answer from TEC OR
DVLA.
Phoned CDER back and they were just rude and unhelpful a said “
I told you what to do” I said they don’t answer he said “of
course they do”.
The vehicle has obviously been cloned.
I have told my mum not to let anyone in, we don’t have any
possessions there anyway. But she is in her 80’s and I have a
feeling any enforcement agents will try to be intimidating.
Many thanks
#Post#: 39893--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 8, 2024, 3:54 pm
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Best if you post up the letter from the bailiffs.
This may be a mis-read of a number plate, but you really MUST
persist with both the DVLA and TEC. YOu need to get proof of
export from the DVLA.
However, have you contacted DART yet, as you don't mention them
at all ? You need to tell them the situation. If DVLA shows the
vehicle as exported, they should have a date for this, and this
date should be before the contravention date. With bailiffs at
your door, the only avenue to get them off your back is to
submit an Out-of-Time Witness Statement. For this you need to
submit Forms TE7 and TE9. The TE7 is to ask for permission to
submit the WS out-of-time.
#Post#: 39901--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: Sheppy100
Date: October 8, 2024, 4:46 pm
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Tried to fill in an online form but it comes up with a message
saying no outstanding PCNs for this vehicle.
I can’t up load letter, the file is to big, it’s a photo from my
mum.
#Post#: 39904--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: roythebus
Date: October 8, 2024, 5:48 pm
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Speak to the Dart Charge penalty notice department, they are
usually quite helpful. I have a vintage vehicle which was
"cloned" by an east European lorry. they used the same LLLNNN
system we used until 1963.A quick check of their photos cleared
the matter.
If you liv in France there's nothing bailiffs can do to collect
from there. Quite how Dart Charge got your driving licence
details is a mystery as there's no link between driving licence
address and registered keeper addresses at the DVLA.
See the sticky at the top of the page on how to post photos.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
#Post#: 39905--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: Sheppy100
Date: October 8, 2024, 5:59 pm
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To be honest I assumed Dart contacted DVLA and they gave out
license address details. The vehicle was never registered there
so I can’t see any other way they could have got the address.
Im not too bothered about bailiffs for me, just them turning up
at my mums house.
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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 8, 2024, 6:03 pm
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Put the notice on an image hosting site. Just hide name and
address.
Bailiffs make their money out of tracing people but this is an
odd one.
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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: Sheppy100
Date: October 8, 2024, 11:13 pm
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Picture host site,
I didn’t even know that was a thing
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/CBCzwDZt/IMG-2066.jpg
HTML https://postimg.cc/CBCzwDZt
#Post#: 39919--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: October 9, 2024, 3:35 am
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The VRM on the NoE is CX10YYG - not a French plate but a SORN'd
Vauxhall:
HTML https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/VehicleFound?locale=en
Others would know, but this car has not been exported, it's
supposed to be sitting off the road somewhere in the UK
Driving licences aren't linked to car VRMs also how could a
vehicle be registered both in the UK and France?
But OP you are correct in that your focus should be on how to
prevent your mother being hassled. I fear that telling her 'not
to let anyone in' won't put her at ease.
IMO, take France out of the equation and look at what remains:
The VRM is still registered with DVLA;
Therefore they will have a registered keeper;
This is you - forget selling a French-registered car in 2023,
this is irrelevant. You are still on record as the RK of CX
etc.. in the UK;
This VRM used the Dartford crossing..
Hence why you're being pursued...
However, you say that 'the vehicle was never registered
there[your mother's house]', but this isn't the point: the car
is registered to you in the UK. If all procedural notices have
been sent to this address (and unanswered) then they would
pursue you, initially at this address but afterwards anywhere
provided by the law. You're linking your mother's with driving
licence, but we don't know. They might have searched other
databases to find out an address.
If you're claiming that DVLA's records are incorrect, then IMO
you'll need proof.
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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 9, 2024, 3:38 am
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VRM gives a silver Vauxhall - status SORN. MOT expired 12 Jan
2018. Last logbook issued 15 August 2017 - that address will be
where they initially sent a PCN.
But no such PCN on Dart system - in fact no outstanding PCNs.
Suggest you call Dart as this looks like a plate misread or
maybe clone but no PCN outstanding is odd unless their system
closes them when moved to enforcement.
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Re: Dartford crossing…. Bailiff
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: October 9, 2024, 3:42 am
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A quick look at "Check VED" shows your vehicle status as SORN,
and last V5C issued on 15th August 2017. So you should, in
theory, still have that paper V5C in your possession.
I think you need to contact DART as a matter of urgency to get
details of the vehicle, photos etc. At the moment, the bailiffs
have only added on their £75, but if they visit, will add on
£235.
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