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       #Post#: 44906--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPC PARKING CHARGE - BURNLEY BIRTH CENTRE BURNLEY HOSPITAL
   DIR By: nothavingthis
       Date: November 10, 2024, 10:16 am
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       Hi,
       Thank you so much for this, i have sent this off. I will update
       when i get a reply.
       --- Quote from: b789 link ---
       >
       > I suggest you respond to Mr Appiah at the Trust with the
       following:
       >
       > [quote]Subject: Formal Response to PCN Complaint – Joint and
       Several Liability for UKPC’s Actions
       >
       > Dear Mr. Appiah,
       >
       > I am writing in response to your letter dated [insert date],
       regarding my complaint about the Parking Charge Notice (PCN)
       issued by UK Parking Control (UKPC) at Burnley General Hospital.
       I appreciate the time taken to review my concerns, but I must
       address several key points where I believe your response has
       overlooked both legal and procedural obligations under the
       Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 and the British Parking
       Association (BPA) Code of Practice. I also hold East Lancashire
       Hospitals NHS Trust jointly and severally liable for any future
       legal action that may arise should UKPC pursue this matter
       further.
       >
       > 1. Misclassification of the "Parking Charge Notice" as Not an
       NtD
       >
       > While the notice left on my vehicle does not meet all the
       specific requirements under Schedule 4, PoFA 2012 for an
       official Notice to Driver (NtD) – lacking details such as
       vehicle information, location, and time of issue – it is
       explicitly labelled a "Parking Charge Notice" (PCN). This
       classification and the use of such terminology imply an
       enforceable charge under PoFA, thereby reasonably inducing me to
       regard it as an NtD.
       >
       > The labelling of this notice as a PCN aligns with the function
       and purpose of an NtD as intended by PoFA: to inform the driver
       of an alleged breach and the imposition of a charge.
       Consequently, the notice should be considered an NtD in
       substance, if not in full form, thus requiring UKPC to observe
       the 28-day delay before accessing registered keeper details.
       >
       > 2. Substance Over Form – Legal Doctrine and Reasonable
       Interpretation
       >
       > In legal interpretation, courts frequently apply the doctrine
       of “substance over form”, which prioritises the intent and
       practical effect of a document over its technical format. By
       labelling this document as a “Parking Charge Notice”, UKPC
       created the reasonable impression that it serves as a formal
       notice initiating the enforcement process, effectively
       functioning as an NtD.
       >
       > The lack of certain minor details does not negate its role as
       an NtD, and I would expect the Trust, in holding UKPC
       accountable to PoFA and BPA Code of Practice, to consider this
       document in substance as an NtD. Failure to do so could allow
       UKPC to bypass statutory protections through technical evasions,
       which is neither in line with PoFA’s intent nor with fair
       consumer practice.
       >
       > 3. Expectation of the Reasonable Person and Transparency
       >
       > The notice’s prominent labelling as a “Parking Charge Notice”
       would lead any reasonable person to interpret it as a formal
       notice of a charge in line with PoFA procedures. UKPC’s denial
       that this is an NtD contradicts the reasonable expectation
       created by their choice of language. By failing to treat this
       notice as an NtD and by accessing my details prematurely, UKPC
       has violated both PoFA and BPA Code of Practice guidelines,
       which your Trust is obligated to enforce through your contract
       with them.
       >
       > 4. NHS Trust Liability – Obligations Under NHS Car Parking
       Guidance 2022
       >
       > The NHS Car Parking Guidance 2022 clearly states that NHS
       organisations are responsible for the actions of contractors
       managing parking on their behalf. It further emphasises that
       contracts with parking operators should be managed to prevent
       rogue practices and to ensure compliance with relevant codes of
       practice.
       >
       > UKPC’s actions in this instance are not only non-compliant
       with PoFA and the BPA Code of Practice but could also be viewed
       as contrary to NHS guidance, particularly in failing to respect
       the rights of vehicle keepers. East Lancashire Hospitals NHS
       Trust has an obligation to ensure that UKPC adheres to both
       legal requirements and ethical standards, particularly when
       dealing with vulnerable patients attending medical facilities.
       >
       > 5. Joint and Several Liability for Future Legal Action
       >
       > In light of the above points, I hold East Lancashire Hospitals
       NHS Trust jointly and severally liable for any future legal
       action that may arise should UKPC pursue this PCN. The Trust’s
       contractual relationship with UKPC places it in a position of
       accountability, particularly where contractors are found to be
       operating outside of legal guidelines and established codes of
       practice.
       >
       > Should UKPC pursue further action, I will not hesitate to
       include the Trust as a co-defendant, based on its duty of care
       to enforce compliance with PoFA and the BPA Code. By allowing
       UKPC to operate in such a manner, the Trust is effectively
       endorsing practices that could result in unfair legal claims
       against innocent motorists, which is entirely unacceptable for
       an organisation committed to patient welfare.
       >
       > Conclusion
       >
       > In conclusion, I expect East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust to
       hold UKPC accountable for adhering to all statutory
       requirements, including PoFA’s 28-day delay requirement
       following a Notice to Driver. I further expect that this PCN
       will be cancelled immediately, given the numerous procedural
       errors outlined above, and that steps will be taken to ensure
       UKPC’s compliance with PoFA and NHS guidelines on your premises.
       >
       > Please confirm in writing within 14 days how the Trust intends
       to address these issues and whether UKPC will be instructed to
       cancel this PCN. Should the Trust choose not to act on this
       matter, I will take appropriate steps to protect my legal
       rights, including holding the Trust accountable as a joint party
       in any further action.
       >
       > Yours sincerely,
       >
       > [Your Full Name]
       > [Your Address]
       > [Contact Information]
       --- End Quote ---
       [/quote]
       #Post#: 44907--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPC PARKING CHARGE - BURNLEY BIRTH CENTRE BURNLEY HOSPITAL
   DIR By: b789
       Date: November 10, 2024, 10:19 am
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       --- Quote from: nothavingthis link ---
       >
       > Hi, is the 33 days to appeal to POPLA correct or is it 28 days
       as stated in the rejection letter.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       The 28 days starts fro the date of service which they allow 5
       days for from the issue date.
       #Post#: 44917--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPC PARKING CHARGE - BURNLEY BIRTH CENTRE BURNLEY HOSPITAL
   DIR By: H C Andersen
       Date: November 10, 2024, 11:06 am
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       Have you sent this letter?
       Do you have a copy of the Trust's Car Parking Policy?
       #Post#: 46128--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPC PARKING CHARGE - BURNLEY BIRTH CENTRE BURNLEY HOSPITAL
   DIR By: nothavingthis
       Date: November 18, 2024, 4:15 pm
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       --- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
       >
       > Have you sent this letter?
       >
       > Do you have a copy of the Trust's Car Parking Policy?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Hi, yes i sent the letter, well sent it in email format. They
       have sent acknowledgment but no response as of yet.
       I do not have a copy of the trust parking policy, but from a
       quick google search i can see this :
  HTML https://elht.nhs.uk/your-visit/car-parking
       #Post#: 46131--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPC PARKING CHARGE - BURNLEY BIRTH CENTRE BURNLEY HOSPITAL
   DIR By: nothavingthis
       Date: November 18, 2024, 4:36 pm
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       --- Quote from: b789 link ---
       >
       > As expected. UKPC will always reject an appeal. There's no
       money it for them if they don't.
       >
       > So, you now have a POPLA code and you need to prepare an
       appeal to them based on the points I have already given you
       earlier. You have 33 days from the date of the appeal rejection
       to submit the POPLA appeal so, no rush.
       >
       > Show us what you think is suitable for the POPLA appeal and we
       will provide corrections and suggestions to make sure it is
       suitable for submission.
       >
       > No one pays UKPC PCNs if they are getting advice here. Even if
       it went all the way to a court claim, it would eventually be
       discontinued.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Good evening,
       I hope you can provide some feedback on my POPLA appeal below,
       thanks in advance!
       POPLA Appeal: Parking Charge Notice Issued by UK Parking Control
       (UKPC)
       PCN Number: [#]
       Vehicle Registration: [#]
       Grounds for Appeal:
       Failure to Adhere to the Requirements of Schedule 4 of the
       Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).
       The Operator Has Not Shown That the Individual Being Pursued
       Is the Driver.
       Inadequate Signage Leading to a Breach of the BPA Code of
       Practice.
       No Evidence of Landholder Authority.
       Misleading and Predatory Tactics.
       1. Failure to Adhere to the Requirements of Schedule 4 of the
       Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA)
       To hold a registered keeper liable for a Parking Charge Notice
       (PCN), UKPC must fully comply with all procedural and
       substantive requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of
       Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). This includes:
       Premature Issuance of the Notice to Keeper (NtK):
       Schedule 4, Paragraph 8(4) of PoFA mandates that when a
       Notice to Driver (NtD) has been issued, the operator must wait a
       minimum of 28 days before serving a Notice to Keeper (NtK).
       In this case, an NtD was affixed to the vehicle, yet the
       NtK was sent before the 28-day period had elapsed, violating the
       statutory timeline. This procedural failure invalidates the
       ability of UKPC to transfer liability to the registered keeper.
       Omission of Required Information in the NtK:
       Paragraph 8(2) of PoFA outlines specific information
       that must be included in the NtK. UKPC's NtK does not meet these
       requirements in full. For example, it fails to:
       Clearly state the period of parking to which the
       charge relates.
       Specify the steps taken to identify the driver
       before pursuing the registered keeper.
       The absence of this information renders the NtK
       non-compliant with PoFA, meaning the registered keeper cannot be
       held liable.
       2. The Operator Has Not Shown That the Individual Being Pursued
       Is the Driver
       UKPC has relied solely on the assumption that the registered
       keeper was the driver at the time of the alleged contravention.
       Under Paragraph 4(1) of PoFA, only the driver can be held liable
       unless strict compliance with PoFA enables the operator to
       transfer liability to the registered keeper.
       No evidence, such as photographic identification of the
       driver, has been provided by UKPC.
       As per the legal principle established in CPS Ltd v AJH
       Films Ltd [2015] EWCA Civ 1453, liability cannot simply be
       inferred based on keeper information without substantiating
       evidence.
       Since UKPC has not identified the driver and has failed to meet
       the conditions for keeper liability, the PCN cannot be enforced.
       3. Inadequate Signage Leading to a Breach of the BPA Code of
       Practice
       The British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice requires
       that parking terms and conditions be clearly and prominently
       displayed. In this case:
       Signs at the location were either obscured, too small, or
       positioned in a way that made them unreadable.
       The signage failed to comply with BPA Code of Practice
       Section 19, which requires that terms be clear, unambiguous, and
       visible to all motorists.
       At the time of the alleged contravention, the signage did
       not adequately communicate the parking terms, leading to
       confusion.
       This failure undermines any alleged contractual agreement and
       invalidates the claim.
       4. No Evidence of Landholder Authority
       UKPC has failed to demonstrate its authority to issue parking
       charges on this land. According to Paragraph 7 of the BPA Code
       of Practice, parking operators must have written authorization
       from the landholder confirming their authority to manage parking
       at the site.
       UKPC has not provided a copy of their contract with the
       landowner or evidence of their legal authority to issue PCNs.
       Without such proof, UKPC cannot demonstrate that they have
       the right to enforce parking terms or pursue charges.
       5. Misleading and Predatory Tactics
       UKPC’s conduct in this matter was misleading and predatory:
       The NtK was issued prematurely, and their response to my
       initial appeal was dismissive, failing to address key legal
       points raised regarding PoFA compliance.
       The aggressive issuance of this PCN during a
       maternity-related hospital visit reflects poorly on UKPC’s
       adherence to BPA’s principles of fairness and proportionality.
       The NHS Car Parking Guidance 2022 emphasizes the importance of
       parking policies that accommodate patients and their families,
       particularly in urgent medical situations. UKPC’s actions in
       this case contravene these principles and bring disrepute to
       their parking management practices.
       Conclusion
       In light of the above points, this PCN is invalid and
       unenforceable. UKPC has failed to:
       Comply with the procedural requirements of PoFA.
       Establish who was driving the vehicle at the time.
       Provide evidence of clear and adequate signage.
       Demonstrate landholder authority.
       Conduct themselves in a manner consistent with BPA’s Code of
       Practice and NHS Car Parking Guidance.
       I respectfully request that POPLA uphold this appeal and
       instruct UKPC to cancel the PCN.
       Yours sincerely,
       #Post#: 46344--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPC PARKING CHARGE - BURNLEY BIRTH CENTRE BURNLEY HOSPITAL
   DIR By: nothavingthis
       Date: November 20, 2024, 5:55 am
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       [member=26]b789[/member] Any suggestions on my draft? thanks
       --- Quote from: nothavingthis link ---
       >
       > [quote author=b789 link=topic=3360.msg41988#msg41988
       date=1729683821]
       > As expected. UKPC will always reject an appeal. There's no
       money it for them if they don't.
       >
       > So, you now have a POPLA code and you need to prepare an
       appeal to them based on the points I have already given you
       earlier. You have 33 days from the date of the appeal rejection
       to submit the POPLA appeal so, no rush.
       >
       > Show us what you think is suitable for the POPLA appeal and we
       will provide corrections and suggestions to make sure it is
       suitable for submission.
       >
       > No one pays UKPC PCNs if they are getting advice here. Even if
       it went all the way to a court claim, it would eventually be
       discontinued.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Good evening,
       I hope you can provide some feedback on my POPLA appeal below,
       thanks in advance!
       POPLA Appeal: Parking Charge Notice Issued by UK Parking Control
       (UKPC)
       PCN Number: [#]
       Vehicle Registration: [#]
       Grounds for Appeal:
       Failure to Adhere to the Requirements of Schedule 4 of the
       Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).
       The Operator Has Not Shown That the Individual Being Pursued
       Is the Driver.
       Inadequate Signage Leading to a Breach of the BPA Code of
       Practice.
       No Evidence of Landholder Authority.
       Misleading and Predatory Tactics.
       1. Failure to Adhere to the Requirements of Schedule 4 of the
       Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA)
       To hold a registered keeper liable for a Parking Charge Notice
       (PCN), UKPC must fully comply with all procedural and
       substantive requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of
       Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). This includes:
       Premature Issuance of the Notice to Keeper (NtK):
       Schedule 4, Paragraph 8(4) of PoFA mandates that when a
       Notice to Driver (NtD) has been issued, the operator must wait a
       minimum of 28 days before serving a Notice to Keeper (NtK).
       In this case, an NtD was affixed to the vehicle, yet the
       NtK was sent before the 28-day period had elapsed, violating the
       statutory timeline. This procedural failure invalidates the
       ability of UKPC to transfer liability to the registered keeper.
       Omission of Required Information in the NtK:
       Paragraph 8(2) of PoFA outlines specific information
       that must be included in the NtK. UKPC's NtK does not meet these
       requirements in full. For example, it fails to:
       Clearly state the period of parking to which the
       charge relates.
       Specify the steps taken to identify the driver
       before pursuing the registered keeper.
       The absence of this information renders the NtK
       non-compliant with PoFA, meaning the registered keeper cannot be
       held liable.
       2. The Operator Has Not Shown That the Individual Being Pursued
       Is the Driver
       UKPC has relied solely on the assumption that the registered
       keeper was the driver at the time of the alleged contravention.
       Under Paragraph 4(1) of PoFA, only the driver can be held liable
       unless strict compliance with PoFA enables the operator to
       transfer liability to the registered keeper.
       No evidence, such as photographic identification of the
       driver, has been provided by UKPC.
       As per the legal principle established in CPS Ltd v AJH
       Films Ltd [2015] EWCA Civ 1453, liability cannot simply be
       inferred based on keeper information without substantiating
       evidence.
       Since UKPC has not identified the driver and has failed to meet
       the conditions for keeper liability, the PCN cannot be enforced.
       3. Inadequate Signage Leading to a Breach of the BPA Code of
       Practice
       The British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice requires
       that parking terms and conditions be clearly and prominently
       displayed. In this case:
       Signs at the location were either obscured, too small, or
       positioned in a way that made them unreadable.
       The signage failed to comply with BPA Code of Practice
       Section 19, which requires that terms be clear, unambiguous, and
       visible to all motorists.
       At the time of the alleged contravention, the signage did
       not adequately communicate the parking terms, leading to
       confusion.
       This failure undermines any alleged contractual agreement and
       invalidates the claim.
       4. No Evidence of Landholder Authority
       UKPC has failed to demonstrate its authority to issue parking
       charges on this land. According to Paragraph 7 of the BPA Code
       of Practice, parking operators must have written authorization
       from the landholder confirming their authority to manage parking
       at the site.
       UKPC has not provided a copy of their contract with the
       landowner or evidence of their legal authority to issue PCNs.
       Without such proof, UKPC cannot demonstrate that they have
       the right to enforce parking terms or pursue charges.
       5. Misleading and Predatory Tactics
       UKPC’s conduct in this matter was misleading and predatory:
       The NtK was issued prematurely, and their response to my
       initial appeal was dismissive, failing to address key legal
       points raised regarding PoFA compliance.
       The aggressive issuance of this PCN during a
       maternity-related hospital visit reflects poorly on UKPC’s
       adherence to BPA’s principles of fairness and proportionality.
       The NHS Car Parking Guidance 2022 emphasizes the importance of
       parking policies that accommodate patients and their families,
       particularly in urgent medical situations. UKPC’s actions in
       this case contravene these principles and bring disrepute to
       their parking management practices.
       Conclusion
       In light of the above points, this PCN is invalid and
       unenforceable. UKPC has failed to:
       Comply with the procedural requirements of PoFA.
       Establish who was driving the vehicle at the time.
       Provide evidence of clear and adequate signage.
       Demonstrate landholder authority.
       Conduct themselves in a manner consistent with BPA’s Code of
       Practice and NHS Car Parking Guidance.
       I respectfully request that POPLA uphold this appeal and
       instruct UKPC to cancel the PCN.
       Yours sincerely,
       [/quote]
       #Post#: 46356--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPC PARKING CHARGE - BURNLEY BIRTH CENTRE BURNLEY HOSPITAL
   DIR By: b789
       Date: November 20, 2024, 7:16 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       Have you had a response from Mr Appiah yet?
       Here is a more detailed POPLA appeal based on your
       circumstances:
       --- Quote ---
       > POPLA Appeal: Parking Charge Notice Issued by UK Parking
       Control (UKPC)
       >
       > PCN Number: [Insert PCN Number]
       > Vehicle Registration: [Insert Vehicle Registration]
       >
       > POPLA Appeal: Parking Charge Notice Issued by UK Parking
       Control (UKPC)
       >
       > Grounds for Appeal
       >
       > [indent]1. The Windscreen Note Constitutes a Notice to Driver
       (NtD) Under PoFA, and the Notice to Keeper (NtK) Was Premature.
       >
       > 2. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) Fails to Comply with the
       Requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).
       >
       > 3. UKPC Has Not Proven That the Individual Being Pursued Was
       the Driver.
       >
       > 4. Inadequate Signage Breaching the BPA Code of Practice.
       >
       > 5. No Evidence of Landholder Authority.[/indent]
       >
       > 1. The Windscreen Note Constitutes a Notice to Driver (NtD)
       Under PoFA, and the NtK Was Premature. The Windscreen Note Was
       Presented as a Notice to Driver (NtD)
       >
       > The document left on the vehicle windscreen was enclosed in a
       yellow plastic envelope marked “Parking Charge Notice”, giving
       the appearance of a formal NtD. The design, language, and
       presentation of this document were clearly intended to mimic an
       official NtD, fulfilling the role of an NtD for all practical
       purposes.
       >
       >
  HTML https://i.ibb.co/MDSYJ3x/IMG-0068.jpg
       >
       > By leaving this document on the vehicle, UKPC initiated the
       procedural process described in Schedule 4, Paragraph 8 of PoFA,
       which requires operators to wait a minimum of 28 days before
       serving a Notice to Keeper (NtK).
       >
       > UKPC Cannot Circumvent PoFA by Issuing an Improper NtD. If
       UKPC claims the windscreen note was not a valid NtD, they are
       effectively admitting to issuing a non-compliant notice.
       >
       > This non-compliance cannot exempt them from PoFA requirements.
       UKPC cannot rely on the windscreen note as evidence of a
       contravention while simultaneously denying its status as an NtD
       to circumvent the 28-day timeline mandated by Schedule 4,
       Paragraph 8(4).
       >
       > Premature NtK
       >
       > UKPC issued the NtK only two days after leaving the windscreen
       note. This premature issuance violates PoFA, rendering the NtK
       invalid.
       >
       > 2. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) Fails to Comply with PoFA
       >
       > To transfer liability to the registered keeper, the Notice to
       Keeper (NtK) must comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act
       2012 (PoFA). UKPC’s NtK fails to meet the mandatory
       requirements, rendering it invalid.
       >
       > Omission of Mandatory Information
       >
       > Schedule 4, Paragraph 8(2) of PoFA specifies the information
       that must be included in the NtK. UKPC’s NtK omits a key detail,
       the period of parking to which the charge relates. Without this
       information, the NtK is non-compliant with PoFA, and the
       operator cannot transfer liability to the registered keeper.
       >
       > PoFA specifically states, irrespective of whether under
       paragraph 8 or 9 that the notice MUST: "specify the vehicle, the
       relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking
       to which the notice relates." An NtK, whether issued under
       paragraph 8 or 9 of Schedule 4 of PoFA is required to fully
       comply with ALL the requirements of the Act. Partial or even
       substantial compliance is insufficient.
       >
       >
       > 3. UKPC Has Not Proven That the Individual Being Pursued Was
       the Driver
       >
       > UKPC has not identified the driver at the time of the alleged
       contravention and instead relies on assumptions that the
       registered keeper was the driver.
       >
       > Legal Requirements
       >
       > Schedule 4 of PoFA allows liability to be transferred to the
       registered keeper only if the operator fully complies with ALL
       its requirements. UKPC has provided no evidence, to establish
       the identity of the driver. The registered keeper cannot be
       presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under
       some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. The NtK can
       only hold the driver liable.
       >
       > Relevant Legal Precedent
       >
       > In VCS v Edward (2023) [HOKF6C9C], the court considered the
       issue of driver identification. From paragraph 31 onwards, it
       was emphasised that:
       >
       > [indent]• A parking operator must present substantive evidence
       to demonstrate who the driver was at the time of the alleged
       contravention.
       > • Liability cannot simply be presumed based on the registered
       keeper’s details or their correspondence.[/indent]
       >
       > This case reinforces that unless the operator identifies the
       driver, they cannot hold anyone liable as the driver unless
       PoFA's strict conditions for transferring liability to the
       registered keeper are met. In this case, UKPC has failed to
       provide any such evidence, relying solely on the registered
       keeper’s details to pursue this charge.
       >
       > 4. Inadequate Signage Breaching the BPA Code of Practice
       >
       > UKPC’s signage at the site fails to meet the standards set by
       the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, Section
       19.
       >
       > Poor Visibility and Clarity
       >
       > The signs were either obscured, too small, or positioned in a
       way that made them unreadable. Key parking terms were not
       clearly communicated, leading to confusion.
       >
       > Failure to Form a Contract
       >
       > The lack of clear, prominent, and legible signage means no
       contract was formed between the driver and UKPC. This
       invalidates the parking charge.
       >
       > 5. No Evidence of Landholder Authority
       >
       > UKPC is also put to strict proof, by means of contemporaneous
       and unredacted evidence, of a chain of authority flowing from
       the landholder of the "relevant land" to the operator. It is not
       accepted that the operator has adhered to the landholder's
       definitions, exemptions, grace period, hours of operation, etc.
       and any instructions to cancel charges due to complaints. There
       is no evidence that the freeholder authorises this operator to
       issue parking charges or what the land enforcement boundary and
       start/expiry dates are, nor whether this operator has standing
       to enforce such charges in their own name rather than a bare
       licence to act as an agent ‘on behalf of’ the landowner.
       >
       > The operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with
       the BPA Code of Practice. As this operator does not have
       proprietary interest in the “relevant land” then I require that
       they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the
       landowner. The contract and any 'site agreement' or 'User
       Manual' setting out details including exemptions - such as any
       'genuine customer' or 'genuine resident' exemptions or any site
       occupier's 'right of veto' charge cancellation rights - is key
       evidence to define what this operator is authorised to do and
       any circumstances where the landowner/firms on site in fact have
       a right to cancellation of a charge. It cannot be assumed, just
       because an agent is contracted to merely put some signs up and
       issue Parking Charge Notices, that the agent is also authorised
       to make contracts with all or any category of visiting drivers
       and/or to enforce the charge in court in their own name (legal
       action regarding land use disputes generally being a matter for
       a landowner only). Witness statements are not sound evidence of
       the above, often being pre-signed, generic documents not even
       identifying the case in hand or even the site rules.
       >
       > A witness statement might in some cases be accepted by POPLA
       but in this case I suggest it is unlikely to sufficiently
       evidence the definition of the services provided by each party
       to the agreement. Nor would it define vital information such as
       charging days/times, any exemption clauses, consideration
       periods, grace periods (which I believe may be longer than the
       bare minimum times set out in the BPA CoP) and basic information
       such as the land boundary and bays where enforcement
       applies/does not apply.
       >
       > Not forgetting evidence of the various restrictions which the
       landowner has authorised can give rise to a charge and, of
       course, how much the landowner authorises this agent to charge
       (which cannot be assumed to be the sum on a sign because
       template private parking terms and sums have been known not to
       match the actual landowner agreement). Paragraph 7 of the BPA
       Code of Practice defines the mandatory requirements and I put
       this operator to strict proof of full compliance:
       >
       > [indent]7.2 If the operator wishes to take legal action on any
       outstanding parking charges, they must ensure that they have the
       written authority of the landowner (or their appointed agent)
       prior to legal action being taken.
       >
       > 7.3 The written authorisation must also set out:
       >
       > [indent](a) the definition of the land on which you may
       operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly
       defined
       > (b) any conditions or restrictions on parking control and
       enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of
       operation
       > (c) any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles
       that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and
       enforcement
       > (d) who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining
       signs
       > (e) the definition of the services provided by each party to
       the agreement[/indent][/indent]
       >
       > Conclusion
       >
       > In light of the above points, this Parking Charge Notice is
       invalid and unenforceable. UKPC has failed to:
       >
       > [indent]• Adhere to the procedural requirements of PoFA
       regarding Notices to Driver and Keeper.
       > • Issue a Notice to Keeper that complies with the Protection
       of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).
       > • Establish who was driving the vehicle at the time of the
       alleged contravention.
       > • Provide clear and adequate signage in line with BPA
       guidelines.
       > • Demonstrate their authority to operate on the land in
       question.[/indent]
       >
       > I request that POPLA allow this appeal and instruct UKPC to
       cancel the Parking Charge Notice.
       --- End Quote ---
       #Post#: 46385--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPC PARKING CHARGE - BURNLEY BIRTH CENTRE BURNLEY HOSPITAL
   DIR By: nothavingthis
       Date: November 20, 2024, 10:08 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       Hi,
       Nope, no reply fro Mr Appiah yet.
       I will use what you have provided for the POPLA appeal, i want
       to take this opportunity to thank you for the time you have put
       into this and in helping me, Thank you! :)
       --- Quote from: b789 link ---
       >
       > Have you had a response from Mr Appiah yet?
       >
       > Here is a more detailed POPLA appeal based on your
       circumstances:
       >
       > [quote]POPLA Appeal: Parking Charge Notice Issued by UK
       Parking Control (UKPC)
       >
       > PCN Number: [Insert PCN Number]
       > Vehicle Registration: [Insert Vehicle Registration]
       >
       > POPLA Appeal: Parking Charge Notice Issued by UK Parking
       Control (UKPC)
       >
       > Grounds for Appeal
       >
       > [indent]1. The Windscreen Note Constitutes a Notice to Driver
       (NtD) Under PoFA, and the Notice to Keeper (NtK) Was Premature.
       >
       > 2. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) Fails to Comply with the
       Requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).
       >
       > 3. UKPC Has Not Proven That the Individual Being Pursued Was
       the Driver.
       >
       > 4. Inadequate Signage Breaching the BPA Code of Practice.
       >
       > 5. No Evidence of Landholder Authority.[/indent]
       >
       > 1. The Windscreen Note Constitutes a Notice to Driver (NtD)
       Under PoFA, and the NtK Was Premature. The Windscreen Note Was
       Presented as a Notice to Driver (NtD)
       >
       > The document left on the vehicle windscreen was enclosed in a
       yellow plastic envelope marked “Parking Charge Notice”, giving
       the appearance of a formal NtD. The design, language, and
       presentation of this document were clearly intended to mimic an
       official NtD, fulfilling the role of an NtD for all practical
       purposes.
       >
       >
  HTML https://i.ibb.co/MDSYJ3x/IMG-0068.jpg
       >
       > By leaving this document on the vehicle, UKPC initiated the
       procedural process described in Schedule 4, Paragraph 8 of PoFA,
       which requires operators to wait a minimum of 28 days before
       serving a Notice to Keeper (NtK).
       >
       > UKPC Cannot Circumvent PoFA by Issuing an Improper NtD. If
       UKPC claims the windscreen note was not a valid NtD, they are
       effectively admitting to issuing a non-compliant notice.
       >
       > This non-compliance cannot exempt them from PoFA requirements.
       UKPC cannot rely on the windscreen note as evidence of a
       contravention while simultaneously denying its status as an NtD
       to circumvent the 28-day timeline mandated by Schedule 4,
       Paragraph 8(4).
       >
       > Premature NtK
       >
       > UKPC issued the NtK only two days after leaving the windscreen
       note. This premature issuance violates PoFA, rendering the NtK
       invalid.
       >
       > 2. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) Fails to Comply with PoFA
       >
       > To transfer liability to the registered keeper, the Notice to
       Keeper (NtK) must comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act
       2012 (PoFA). UKPC’s NtK fails to meet the mandatory
       requirements, rendering it invalid.
       >
       > Omission of Mandatory Information
       >
       > Schedule 4, Paragraph 8(2) of PoFA specifies the information
       that must be included in the NtK. UKPC’s NtK omits a key detail,
       the period of parking to which the charge relates. Without this
       information, the NtK is non-compliant with PoFA, and the
       operator cannot transfer liability to the registered keeper.
       >
       > PoFA specifically states, irrespective of whether under
       paragraph 8 or 9 that the notice MUST: "specify the vehicle, the
       relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking
       to which the notice relates." An NtK, whether issued under
       paragraph 8 or 9 of Schedule 4 of PoFA is required to fully
       comply with ALL the requirements of the Act. Partial or even
       substantial compliance is insufficient.
       >
       >
       > 3. UKPC Has Not Proven That the Individual Being Pursued Was
       the Driver
       >
       > UKPC has not identified the driver at the time of the alleged
       contravention and instead relies on assumptions that the
       registered keeper was the driver.
       >
       > Legal Requirements
       >
       > Schedule 4 of PoFA allows liability to be transferred to the
       registered keeper only if the operator fully complies with ALL
       its requirements. UKPC has provided no evidence, to establish
       the identity of the driver. The registered keeper cannot be
       presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under
       some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. The NtK can
       only hold the driver liable.
       >
       > Relevant Legal Precedent
       >
       > In VCS v Edward (2023) [HOKF6C9C], the court considered the
       issue of driver identification. From paragraph 31 onwards, it
       was emphasised that:
       >
       > [indent]• A parking operator must present substantive evidence
       to demonstrate who the driver was at the time of the alleged
       contravention.
       > • Liability cannot simply be presumed based on the registered
       keeper’s details or their correspondence.[/indent]
       >
       > This case reinforces that unless the operator identifies the
       driver, they cannot hold anyone liable as the driver unless
       PoFA's strict conditions for transferring liability to the
       registered keeper are met. In this case, UKPC has failed to
       provide any such evidence, relying solely on the registered
       keeper’s details to pursue this charge.
       >
       > 4. Inadequate Signage Breaching the BPA Code of Practice
       >
       > UKPC’s signage at the site fails to meet the standards set by
       the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, Section
       19.
       >
       > Poor Visibility and Clarity
       >
       > The signs were either obscured, too small, or positioned in a
       way that made them unreadable. Key parking terms were not
       clearly communicated, leading to confusion.
       >
       > Failure to Form a Contract
       >
       > The lack of clear, prominent, and legible signage means no
       contract was formed between the driver and UKPC. This
       invalidates the parking charge.
       >
       > 5. No Evidence of Landholder Authority
       >
       > UKPC is also put to strict proof, by means of contemporaneous
       and unredacted evidence, of a chain of authority flowing from
       the landholder of the "relevant land" to the operator. It is not
       accepted that the operator has adhered to the landholder's
       definitions, exemptions, grace period, hours of operation, etc.
       and any instructions to cancel charges due to complaints. There
       is no evidence that the freeholder authorises this operator to
       issue parking charges or what the land enforcement boundary and
       start/expiry dates are, nor whether this operator has standing
       to enforce such charges in their own name rather than a bare
       licence to act as an agent ‘on behalf of’ the landowner.
       >
       > The operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with
       the BPA Code of Practice. As this operator does not have
       proprietary interest in the “relevant land” then I require that
       they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the
       landowner. The contract and any 'site agreement' or 'User
       Manual' setting out details including exemptions - such as any
       'genuine customer' or 'genuine resident' exemptions or any site
       occupier's 'right of veto' charge cancellation rights - is key
       evidence to define what this operator is authorised to do and
       any circumstances where the landowner/firms on site in fact have
       a right to cancellation of a charge. It cannot be assumed, just
       because an agent is contracted to merely put some signs up and
       issue Parking Charge Notices, that the agent is also authorised
       to make contracts with all or any category of visiting drivers
       and/or to enforce the charge in court in their own name (legal
       action regarding land use disputes generally being a matter for
       a landowner only). Witness statements are not sound evidence of
       the above, often being pre-signed, generic documents not even
       identifying the case in hand or even the site rules.
       >
       > A witness statement might in some cases be accepted by POPLA
       but in this case I suggest it is unlikely to sufficiently
       evidence the definition of the services provided by each party
       to the agreement. Nor would it define vital information such as
       charging days/times, any exemption clauses, consideration
       periods, grace periods (which I believe may be longer than the
       bare minimum times set out in the BPA CoP) and basic information
       such as the land boundary and bays where enforcement
       applies/does not apply.
       >
       > Not forgetting evidence of the various restrictions which the
       landowner has authorised can give rise to a charge and, of
       course, how much the landowner authorises this agent to charge
       (which cannot be assumed to be the sum on a sign because
       template private parking terms and sums have been known not to
       match the actual landowner agreement). Paragraph 7 of the BPA
       Code of Practice defines the mandatory requirements and I put
       this operator to strict proof of full compliance:
       >
       > [indent]7.2 If the operator wishes to take legal action on any
       outstanding parking charges, they must ensure that they have the
       written authority of the landowner (or their appointed agent)
       prior to legal action being taken.
       >
       > 7.3 The written authorisation must also set out:
       >
       > [indent](a) the definition of the land on which you may
       operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly
       defined
       > (b) any conditions or restrictions on parking control and
       enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of
       operation
       > (c) any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles
       that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and
       enforcement
       > (d) who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining
       signs
       > (e) the definition of the services provided by each party to
       the agreement[/indent][/indent]
       >
       > Conclusion
       >
       > In light of the above points, this Parking Charge Notice is
       invalid and unenforceable. UKPC has failed to:
       >
       > [indent]• Adhere to the procedural requirements of PoFA
       regarding Notices to Driver and Keeper.
       > • Issue a Notice to Keeper that complies with the Protection
       of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).
       > • Establish who was driving the vehicle at the time of the
       alleged contravention.
       > • Provide clear and adequate signage in line with BPA
       guidelines.
       > • Demonstrate their authority to operate on the land in
       question.[/indent]
       >
       > I request that POPLA allow this appeal and instruct UKPC to
       cancel the Parking Charge Notice.
       --- End Quote ---
       [/quote]
       #Post#: 46481--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPC PARKING CHARGE - BURNLEY BIRTH CENTRE BURNLEY HOSPITAL
   DIR By: H C Andersen
       Date: November 21, 2024, 7:48 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       OP, maybe a bit late but IMO we could be missing a trick.
       The scope of POPLA includes whether the operator has complied
       with the applicable Code of Practice, not just PoFA.
       So, what does the CoP say about a Notice to Driver NOT what does
       PoFA state but what does the operator's own code state.
  HTML http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Ch/2021/3254.html
       Page 13, para. 21.4
       '..the document you give to drivers or attach to their
       windscreens to tell them they have broken your terms and
       conditions...'.
       The Code IS NOT applicable only to claims pursued under PoFA
       because the code anticipates that not all claims would be made
       using the 'keeper liability' provisions of PoFA.
       So IMO your approach to POPLA should be:
       Could this document reasonably be considered a Notice to Driver
       for the purposes of the code, and
       Could this document reasonably be considered a Notice to Driver
       for the purposes of PoFA, and
       If neither applies, then prima facie this is a breach of the
       operator's duty under the code to make a driver aware that the
       operator intends to hold them or the keeper liable and this
       appeal should be allowed, or
       If either applies then the appeal should be allowed by virtue of
       the prematurity of the Notice to Keeper and failure to provide
       the specifics in the notice specified under the code.
       #Post#: 46491--------------------------------------------------
       Re: UKPC PARKING CHARGE - BURNLEY BIRTH CENTRE BURNLEY HOSPITAL
   DIR By: b789
       Date: November 21, 2024, 8:17 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       No idea why the link to the Isle of Wight case is provided but
       the point about the operators Code of Practice stating that a
       PCN is "The parking charge notice is the document you give to
       drivers, or attach to their vehicle windscreen, to tell them
       they have broken your terms and conditions and are now liable
       for parking charges." is very valid.
       The windscreen PCN was indeed a PCN for all intents and
       purposes. If it is not too late and the POPLA appeal has not yet
       been submitted, it is worth adding a sentence within section 1
       of the suggested appeal with the following:
       --- Quote ---
       > The windscreen PCN issued to the driver, while not fully
       compliant with PoFA paragraph 7 for a Notice to Driver (NtD),
       should still be considered a valid NtD. This is supported by the
       BPA Code of Practice (v9), Section 24.1, which defines a parking
       charge notice as the document given to drivers or affixed to
       their vehicle to inform them of a breach of terms and
       conditions, making them liable for parking charges. A valid PCN
       affixed to a windscreen is therefore a Notice to Driver (NtD).
       --- End Quote ---
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