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#Post#: 49374--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN whilst broken down: appeal rejected b/c no VAT number
despite photos of recovery supplied
DIR By: dion_dublin_fan
Date: December 11, 2024, 10:24 am
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Just by way of update, still no NtO.
Any thoughts on how long is reasonable to keep waiting until I
can consider that one won't be coming at all?
#Post#: 49380--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN whilst broken down: appeal rejected b/c no VAT number
despite photos of recovery supplied
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: December 11, 2024, 10:34 am
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Case reference
Decision Date
Ms Ebanks credibly submitted that her car overheated, requiring
her to stop. She provided a garage receipt. The Council did not
accept that the receipt corroborated a breakdown and commented
that it was handwritten and did not contain a VAT number. The
absence of a typed receipt with a VAT number does not render the
document worthless.
I find that the car could not be moved due to circumstances
beyond the control of the driver.
#Post#: 49381--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN whilst broken down: appeal rejected b/c no VAT number
despite photos of recovery supplied
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 11, 2024, 10:37 am
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Each case turns on its own facts and in this case we know s*d
all.
OP, as you're not the RK it's not your direct concern.
You've already lost one of the forum's most experienced posters
because you won't post what's been outstanding for 2 months and
I suggest you do so otherwise you, or more specifically the
'family member', will likely lose more.
Time to stop asking questions and answer those already asked.
#Post#: 49392--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN whilst broken down: appeal rejected b/c no VAT number
despite photos of recovery supplied
DIR By: mickR
Date: December 11, 2024, 12:31 pm
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exactly
#Post#: 49473--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN whilst broken down: appeal rejected b/c no VAT number
despite photos of recovery supplied
DIR By: dion_dublin_fan
Date: December 12, 2024, 5:00 am
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I appreciate you're frustrated with the lack of documents on the
original question, but several users were able to provide
helpful input without documentation.
In any case the question is no longer a specific one, the
question now relates to moving from PCN appeal to NtOs in
general.
That is, has anyone got any experience - any at all, from any
council, anywhere in the country, at any time in their lives,
regardless of circumstances - of councils simply not sending a
NtO after initially rejecting an appeal?
#Post#: 49477--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN whilst broken down: appeal rejected b/c no VAT number
despite photos of recovery supplied
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: December 12, 2024, 5:22 am
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They have 6 months from the contravention date to serve an NTO
to the registered keeper at the address on the V5C logbook.
#Post#: 49541--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN whilst broken down: appeal rejected b/c no VAT number
despite photos of recovery supplied
DIR By: dion_dublin_fan
Date: December 12, 2024, 12:07 pm
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> They have 6 months from the contravention date to serve an NTO
to the registered keeper at the address on the V5C logbook.
>
--- End Quote ---
Perfect, thanks very much. That would be February 18, so there's
still a couple of months for them to send it out if they fancy
it, then.
--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> Case reference 2240394922
> Decision Date 21 Nov 2024
>
> Ms Ebanks credibly submitted that her car overheated,
requiring her to stop. She provided a garage receipt. The
Council did not accept that the receipt corroborated a breakdown
and commented that it was handwritten and did not contain a VAT
number. The absence of a typed receipt with a VAT number does
not render the document worthless.
> I find that the car could not be moved due to circumstances
beyond the control of the driver.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks also for this - shameful that this exact attempt at a
sham fine has been attempted verbatim already. If the NtO does
come through and I have to take it up again, I would be very
surprised if I didn't get a response like this almost
word-for-word. I can't believe councils even bother trying to go
to tribunal on such pathetic grounds in the first place.
Are you able to let me know which council this was from, please?
Or any other details on the case - just so I can have it on hand
to refer to, if useful down the line.
#Post#: 49543--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN whilst broken down: appeal rejected b/c no VAT number
despite photos of recovery supplied
DIR By: JoCo
Date: December 12, 2024, 12:12 pm
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You can look it up on London Tribunals website quoting Case
reference 2240394922
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Re: PCN whilst broken down: appeal rejected b/c no VAT number
despite photos of recovery supplied
DIR By: dion_dublin_fan
Date: December 12, 2024, 12:37 pm
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Great, thanks - found it.
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