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#Post#: 2678--------------------------------------------------
52JM - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of
vehicles (Church Rd Northolt)
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: August 6, 2023, 2:46 am
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Hello everyone,
Three weeks ago I drove down a street in Northolt that turned
out to be a restricted access street. I had seen the speed limit
sign but not the other sign below it that they say was there. On
google maps, I now see the sign giving the rule but I had not
seen it at the time. Probably because when turning in off the
busy road, I didn't have much time and/or because the first was
so prominent I assumed any other signs (if they were there at
the time) gave related info to speed. I just can't remember.
Question. I my wife and I were in 2 seperate vehicles (she was
immediately behind me) drove down it but only my wife received a
PCN. I was driving a regular sized box van. Looking up the
signage on google maps, sign has an image of a motorbike and a
motorcar within a red circle. Does this mean that VAN's are
allowed or that the camera didn't catch it or that the PCN
somehow didn't reach me?
I want to find out if a PC has been issued so that I can pay it
before it doubles to £130. I tried calling them on Friday gone
but every option diverts to an automated message. Their website
allows you to request a lost ticket but it takes 3 days which
would take us beyond the 14 days.
Would appreciate some help on what to do?
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Re: 52JM - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicles (Church Rd Northolt)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 6, 2023, 4:22 am
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Personally I would remain silent.
#Post#: 2721--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52JM - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicles (Church Rd Northolt)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 6, 2023, 9:06 am
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Have you challenged PCN EA58623528?
If not, send a representation before midnight tonight.
#Post#: 2737--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52JM - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicles (Church Rd Northolt)
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: August 6, 2023, 1:22 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> Have you challenged PCN EA58623528?
>
> If not, send a representation before midnight tonight.
>
--- End Quote ---
Oki doki but on what grounds do you think I should make a rep?
#Post#: 2750--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52JM - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicles (Church Rd Northolt)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 6, 2023, 3:09 pm
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--- Quote from: DontStandForNonsense link ---
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Three weeks ago I drove down a street in Northolt that turned
out to be a restricted access street. I had seen the speed limit
sign but not the other sign below it that they say was there. On
google maps, I now see the sign giving the rule but I had not
seen it at the time. Probably because when turning in off the
busy road, I didn't have much time and/or because the first was
so prominent I assumed any other signs (if they were there at
the time) gave related info to speed. I just can't remember.
>
> Question. I my wife and I were in 2 seperate vehicles (she was
immediately behind me) drove down it but only my wife received a
PCN. I was driving a regular sized box van. Looking up the
signage on google maps, sign has an image of a motorbike and a
motorcar within a red circle. Does this mean that VAN's are
allowed or that the camera didn't catch it or that the PCN
somehow didn't reach me?
>
> I want to find out if a PC has been issued so that I can pay
it before it doubles to £130. I tried calling them on Friday
gone but every option diverts to an automated message. Their
website allows you to request a lost ticket but it takes 3 days
which would take us beyond the 14 days.
>
> Would appreciate some help on what to do?
>
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Clearly you don't know what the "FLying Motorbike" sign means.
Essentially, for the ordinary motorist or van driver, it means
"No Entry". but actually means "No Entry for motor vehicles".
It can also be qualified by signs underneath, like "except
permit holders" or such like and can be time limited. Its no
good submitting reps that say you didn't understand the sign.
However arguments around sign positioning are valid but you need
to prepare a strong case.
As Hippocrates says, keep quiet. If you get a PCN come on here
again.
#Post#: 2768--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52JM - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicles (Church Rd Northolt)
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: August 6, 2023, 4:53 pm
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Paid
#Post#: 2769--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52JM - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicles (Church Rd Northolt)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 6, 2023, 4:56 pm
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--- Quote from: DontStandForNonsense link ---
>
> Paid
>
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You could have sent a one line representation saying
contravention didn't occur and that would have preserved the
discount, and they might have messed up the response. As it
happens I think we could have found something substantive but
obviously I'm not going to look into it now as it would be
academic.
#Post#: 11841--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52JM - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicles (Church Rd Northolt)
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: December 4, 2023, 6:23 am
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Hi All,
Okay so I paid my wifes PCN and decided to wait if a PCN would
be sent to us for my vehicle since there was no other way I
could check for one.
Early september I received a Charge Certificate where the PCN (I
never received had gone up by 50%), I emailed the only address I
could find (ParkingRep@ealing.gov.uk) the below message
(included is their automated reply). I have not had anything
from them since and they do not take phone calls for me to ask
either. A few moments ago I logged in to their portal to see if
the PCN was still live and for how much, and it is exactly as it
was (£195). I also noticed some tabs along the top of their
portal which I had not noticed or seen previously. These tabs
include 'Make a Challenge/Representation, which when clicked
brings up fields for all of their requirements to make a
challenge. I'm a bit flummoxed as to what to do. Should I fill:
1. Fill in their form to contest the ticket
2. Wait for a letter re my initial email representation (worried
about this in case their so called letters dont arrive and
charges escalate)
3. Email them again on the only address I have for then asking
for an update?
MY EMAIL TO THEM ON 19th Sep 23
Re PCN: EA58623517
I have received a charge certificate for the above alleged
contravention. In the letter it states that you served on me a
PCN and that this CC is served because I did not pay the said
PCN.
I did not receive any such PCN and if one is not served, I will
have no choice but co contest it through the proper channels.
Please write back with next steps.
Kind regards
AUTOMATED REPLY IMMEDIATELY AFTER:
Thank you for your email.
**Please do not reply to this message as it is an automated
response**
Response times
Informal challenges = 30 working days
Formal* representations = 30 working days
*We will consider any written challenge submitted against the
issue of a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) up until the issue of a
Charge Ccertificate. However, correspondence is only considered
to be ‘formal’ once a Notice to Owner, Enforcement Notice or
postal Penalty Charge Notice has been served to the registered
keeper of the vehicle.
We aim to respond to all representations within the time periods
stated above. Please avoid contacting us for an update about
your case during this time, as this may cause further delay.
Please also allow extra time for your correspondence to reach us
if you have sent it in by post.
If your correspondence is received within the discounted period
stated on the PCN, we will place the case on hold and honour
the discounted amount regardless of how long it takes for a
response to be issued.
Correspondence received after the issue of a Charge Certificate
or Order for Recovery will be placed on to the case but there is
currently no specific time period within which a response will
be sent to you. Equally, if correspondence is received after a
case has been paid in full, it will be placed on to the record
but there is no statutory response period.
If you wish to contest the issue of a penalty at either the
informal or formal stages then please do not make payment.
Doing so will close the case and there is no form of appeal once
the case is paid and closed.
Your details
Please ensure that you provide your PCN reference number,
vehicle registration number, name and current address details
when corresponding with us. Without these details we may not be
able to locate your records and the case may progress.
Formal representations
Responses to formal representations are sent to the DVLA named
registered keeper only. Once your representation has been
received the case will be placed on hold and investigated. If
the PCN is not cancelled then a Notice of Rejection will be
served to the registered keeper of the vehicle with an option to
make a payment or appeal to the London Tribunal.
You can check the status of your PCN by accessing our website:
HTML https://www.ealing.gov.uk/info/201180/tickets_and_fines/2029/view_a_penalty_charge_notice
Please do not reply to this message - it is an automated
response.
Many thanks
Parking Services
London borough of Ealing
#Post#: 11868--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52JM - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicles (Church Rd Northolt)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 4, 2023, 12:59 pm
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Have you not received the Order for Recovery?
#Post#: 11876--------------------------------------------------
Re: 52JM - Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types
of vehicles (Church Rd Northolt)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 4, 2023, 2:36 pm
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+1
With all the reports of late or even lost mail we see on this
forum, may I suggest you phone TEC asap to find out of the PCN
has been registered, and if so, when.
According to the TEC notes on the PE3, 36 days are allowed for
submission of a PE3 against an Order for Recovery. In-time
submissions are accepted automatically. You need to avoid
running out of time, because getting an out-of-time submission
can be a real PITA and often fails.
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