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#Post#: 38869--------------------------------------------------
Hackney, 52m Failure to comply with motor vehicle prohibition,
Pritchard's Rd
DIR By: TrixBear
Date: September 29, 2024, 7:43 pm
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Hello,
Thank you all in advance for your time and advice. The company
I'm hiring a car from have received a PCN (code 52m) involving
my vehicle. They have sent Representation to Hackney notifying
them of my details as the hirer then forwarded a copy of this
and the PCN to me.
The PCN is for entering a motor vehicle prohibited zone. The
photo stills make it appear like I've just driven out of the
prohibited area of Pritchard's Road, but the video shows I may
have briefly entered it while making a reverse turn.
I was looking for a place to park close to the venue I attended
that evening as I'm a Blue Badge holder. My initial plan to park
on Broadway Market was blocked by barriers despite signs
indicating vehicles are permitted after 8pm, so I went to try
Regent's Row instead. However, I quickly discovered it was a
narrow 'No Through' road already full with parked cars and other
obstructions like the bike dock, bins, and if my memory serves
me correctly, an oncoming car.
It was an unfamiliar road and I didn't know when I'd next be
able to safely turn around. From what I could see, it looked
more difficult further down the road and I couldn't tell if more
obstructions lay around the corner. Continuing in that direction
would have also taken me too far from where I wanted to be, so I
decided to return the way I had come, which was via Broadway
Market.
This was now blocked by the white van who wanted to turn into
Regent's Row where I was. To stop obstructing the van, I
reversed approximately 5m or less into the entrance of
Pritchard's Road. I cannot remember if I could easily see the
signs on this road from where I was on Regent's Row as my
concentration was focused on ensuring the cyclists had passed
before I started my manoeuvre.
After reversing, I had to wait for the van to make the turn
before I could continue my own journey unobstructed too and I
was able to safely move off again in less than 10 seconds.
My only alternative would have been reversing straight back onto
Andrews Road, but this would have meant reversing for longer
than necessary and potentially into oncoming traffic partially
hidden by the van and the road decline.
Do you think I have a case for getting the penalty charge
cancelled? Also, the hire company say I do not need to act until
I get a notice directly from Hackney. Is that right, and if so
would it be better to wait or appeal now?
Here is the letter from the car hire company which included a
copy of the PCN and a copy of the representation they returned
to Hackney. Council photo and video evidence can be found here
too:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/XoZsovD
Location:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/xHu5DGBEmv2i8Nqo7
Thanks so much again, your time and advice are greatly
appreciated.
#Post#: 38870--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, 52m Failure to comply with motor vehicle
prohibition, Pritchard's Rd
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: September 29, 2024, 10:06 pm
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To answer your last question. You currently have no standing in
the matter because the PCN is addressed to the hire company.
Please wait until you actually receive a PCN in the post
addressed to you at your address. That's the PCN that you make
representations (challenge) against.
You should receive it before the 22nd October. Post an image of
the PCN on here when you get it. All of the pages and redact
your name & address, please leave everything else visible.
Is there a video of the contravention?
#Post#: 38904--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, 52m Failure to comply with motor vehicle
prohibition, Pritchard's Rd
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 30, 2024, 6:05 am
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The reversing manoeuvre is clear on the video but it's not a
given that they'll cancel as you did go half-way past the signs
but I think if they were to push this to the tribunal you would
win.
As said you need the PCN in your own name. You may also be
charged an admin fee by the hire firm, which is though doing
what it should do.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/8K6xX21.gif
#Post#: 38921--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, 52m Failure to comply with motor vehicle
prohibition, Pritchard's Rd
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 30, 2024, 7:05 am
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That has to be the most money-grubbing PCN I have ever seen.
Shame on you, Hackney Council for your rapacity and venality !!
I would have no hesitation in taking this to London Tribunals.
#Post#: 40779--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, 52m Failure to comply with motor vehicle
prohibition, Pritchard's Rd
DIR By: TrixBear
Date: October 14, 2024, 8:48 pm
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Thank you for all the replies so far. I'm glad you all also
think I have a case! I've received the notice directly from the
council now, so was just wondering how I'd go about challenging
it. Would I just repeat what I wrote in my original message?
Thanks again for your time.
#Post#: 40781--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, 52m Failure to comply with motor vehicle
prohibition, Pritchard's Rd
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: October 14, 2024, 9:41 pm
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What's the date of issue of the postal PCN?
Might be best to post up all pages of the PCN in case there's
anything useful in the small print. Just redact or obscure your
name and address.
And yes, please convert your opening post into a draft formal
representation and post it up for scrutiny.
#Post#: 40929--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, 52m Failure to comply with motor vehicle
prohibition, Pritchard's Rd
DIR By: TrixBear
Date: October 15, 2024, 4:58 pm
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Thanks. I'll get a draft written up ASAP.
The date of the postal notice is 7th October.
I did already share all the pages of the original PCN received
by the hire company here:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/XoZsovD
The one sent to me is exactly the same, only with my
name/address instead of theirs and none of the details on the
representation page filled in yet.
#Post#: 40944--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, 52m Failure to comply with motor vehicle
prohibition, Pritchard's Rd
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: October 16, 2024, 1:14 am
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Ask the hire company if they received a written Notice of
Acceotance (NoA) of representations cancelling the original PCN.
#Post#: 41684--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, 52m Failure to comply with motor vehicle
prohibition, Pritchard's Rd
DIR By: TrixBear
Date: October 21, 2024, 8:48 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> Ask the hire company if they received a written Notice of
Acceotance (NoA) of representations cancelling the original PCN.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi John, I was able to call the hire company today. They
received a letter on the 10th October telling them
responsibility for the PCN is being transferred to another
person/organisation. I've uploaded the letter here:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/3vRbpXa
#Post#: 41704--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney, 52m Failure to comply with motor vehicle
prohibition, Pritchard's Rd
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: October 21, 2024, 9:44 am
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--- Quote from: TrixBear link ---
>
> [quote author=John U.K. link=topic=3306.msg40944#msg40944
date=1729059298]
> Ask the hire company if they received a written Notice of
Acceotance (NoA) of representations cancelling the original PCN.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi John, I was able to call the hire company today. They
received a letter on the 10th October telling them
responsibility for the PCN is being transferred to another
person/organisation. I've uploaded the letter here:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/uWm8waj.jpeg
[/quote]
I am not sure the wording is specific enough to constitute a
Notice of Acceptance cancelling the first PCN but others will
know.
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