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#Post#: 43737--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked for a short time in red bay within the normal allowed
time - received PCN! (threads merged)
DIR By: Phf69
Date: November 3, 2024, 7:57 am
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Thanks for the replies. I’ve looked at a photo I took of the
other bay and that is simply a loading bay with similar
restricted times. The tfl version of the sign by Grillos where I
was parked shows 7am to 4pm, but when was that in force? Now it
is definitely 7am to 7pm. How do I prove that was the
restriction when I parked there?
#Post#: 43745--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked for a short time in red bay within the normal allowed
time - received PCN! (threads merged)
DIR By: Phf69
Date: November 3, 2024, 9:21 am
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Apologies - it is now 10am - 7pm.
#Post#: 43757--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked for a short time in red bay within the normal allowed
time - received PCN! (threads merged)
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 3, 2024, 11:12 am
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Google Maps from June this year shows the sign was missing,
which may be a clue.
In September 2023 it had the sign TFL reckons was there when you
parked.
They seem to have had issues with signs here:
HTML https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-1135-2223
I think you have a good case if the sign there now covers when
you parked.
#Post#: 43805--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked for a short time in red bay within the normal allowed
time - received PCN! (threads merged)
DIR By: Phf69
Date: November 3, 2024, 4:11 pm
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Thanks for that information - it might well help my case.
However, the sign may be seen in their black and white photos?
What does the sign say, though? And why does it have different
times in that position now?
#Post#: 43810--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked for a short time in red bay within the normal allowed
time - received PCN! (threads merged)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 3, 2024, 4:50 pm
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The bottom line is that you show a photo of your van parked in
the bay with the sign present at the time. This shows parking
allowed between 10am to 7pm for one hour, no return within 2
hours. One has to wonder if TfL know what signs they have
themselves erected ! This is a clear case where you'll only get
the correct answer at London Tribunals.
GSV June 2024 shows the sign is missing. There is a sign for the
other bay as can be seen in this 2023 view.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/znKdsv3hjWekCsWn7
This clearly shows the bay delineater between the two bays of a
double-dashed line perpendicular to the kerb. The 2024 view also
shows this.
TfL seem to be being their usual thick and stupid selves here.
#Post#: 43812--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked for a short time in red bay within the normal allowed
time - received PCN! (threads merged)
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 3, 2024, 5:08 pm
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TFL's pics from the video don't show the sign so all they'll
have is some kind of library pic to show the adjudicator. You
have your pic taken soon after. I think they won't contest this
but obviously as it's an extra £80 at stake this needs thought.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/PQ8zS4e.jpeg
#Post#: 43831--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked for a short time in red bay within the normal allowed
time - received PCN! (threads merged)
DIR By: Phf69
Date: November 4, 2024, 3:09 am
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Thanks for the replies - I think my case is 50-50 as long as TFL
doesn’t come up with a dated photo of a sign.
Is there any way of finding out when the parking use changed?
#Post#: 43841--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked for a short time in red bay within the normal allowed
time - received PCN! (threads merged)
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 4, 2024, 3:54 am
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I'll have a look for the traffic order. I had a quick Look
yesterday but couldn't see anything.
#Post#: 43843--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked for a short time in red bay within the normal allowed
time - received PCN! (threads merged)
DIR By: Phf69
Date: November 4, 2024, 3:59 am
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Thanks - that would be very useful. It would have to have been
changed between 17/9/24 and 26/9/24 when I took my photo.
#Post#: 43898--------------------------------------------------
Re: Parked for a short time in red bay within the normal allowed
time - received PCN! (threads merged)
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 4, 2024, 8:14 am
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OP, the still from CCTV shows your car parked in the second and
not first bay. The single(note, one not two as would be the case
if it was the first bay) 'telephone' box is misleading and must
have been placed since GSV.
Or have I misread the last post and photo?
If you were in this bay, then let's focus on its restrictions
alone pl.
Which were: RR Xam-Ypm; except ? between Oam-Ppm.
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