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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: October 22, 2024, 12:19 pm
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It's a pretty illiterate rejection but presumably they say it's
OK.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/QbVXFLz.jpeg
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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
DIR By: anonymous
Date: October 22, 2024, 12:19 pm
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> Please could you repost the right way up? Thnx.
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Apologies. Here you go.
HTML https://ibb.co/MGXrcFL
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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
DIR By: anonymous
Date: October 26, 2024, 12:48 pm
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What would my next steps be in this case?
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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: October 26, 2024, 12:54 pm
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> ok challenge submitted on other grounds. Not overly optimistic
but we shall see I guess. Thanks for all your help thus far.
>
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Please show a copy of the exact challenge you submitted.
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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
DIR By: anonymous
Date: October 26, 2024, 1:02 pm
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> [quote author=anonymous link=topic=3271.msg38587#msg38587
date=1727444243]
> ok challenge submitted on other grounds. Not overly optimistic
but we shall see I guess. Thanks for all your help thus far.
>
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Please show a copy of the exact challenge you submitted.
[/quote]
Reason for challenging the PCN?: Other grounds.
the PCN is not compliant owing to misalignment of the printer
#Post#: 42545--------------------------------------------------
Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: October 26, 2024, 2:56 pm
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Wait for the Notice to Owner. This will go all the way and you
may well win on the website's publication of the grounds which
are rubbish. I would more than happy to assist at the Tribunal.
#Post#: 45001--------------------------------------------------
Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
DIR By: anonymous
Date: November 11, 2024, 5:09 am
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Hi All,
I received a NTO a few days ago. Apologies I was quite ill so I
did not post it here earlier. The NTO is dated 29 October.
What would be my next steps?
Edit: For some reason I still cannot seem to link pictures here
with thumbnails. Its broken for me. Here are the links to the
NTO:
HTML https://ibb.co/PZGXWv2
HTML https://ibb.co/nfhTL7C
HTML https://ibb.co/WHx49X8
HTML https://ibb.co/vwMTVZG
[img width=200 height=400]
HTML https://ibb.co/PZGXWv2[/img]
[img width=200 height=400]
HTML https://ibb.co/nfhTL7C[/img]
[img width=200 height=400]
HTML https://ibb.co/WHx49X8[/img]
[img width=200 height=400]
HTML https://ibb.co/vwMTVZG[/img]
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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: November 11, 2024, 5:43 am
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> Edit: For some reason I still cannot seem to link pictures
here with thumbnails.
>
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Here you go
HTML https://i.ibb.co/bg5wvM4/1.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/PZGXWv2
HTML https://i.ibb.co/WFSQ2kt/2.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/nfhTL7C
HTML https://i.ibb.co/Bfz5DJW/3.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/WHx49X8
HTML https://i.ibb.co/gjcfmzp/4.jpg
HTML https://ibb.co/vwMTVZG
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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
DIR By: anonymous
Date: November 11, 2024, 8:10 am
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thank you John
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Re: Misaligned PCN - Borough of Redbridge
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 11, 2024, 9:58 am
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OP, here are the regs which apply:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/71/schedule/2/made
I have not referred to the 'appeals' regs because they don't
bear upon this matter.
Whether what's printed on the PCN is misaligned is not material
because the regs don't refer to alignment! You are concerned
with the regs and if the 'information' from one or more of the
mandatory matters is not 'included' then these are your
grounds(others will deal with any website issues).
So, what's not included?
IMO, it's obvious i.e. the penalty charge. And this is only
obvious now because you've received the NTO.
Correct me if I'm wrong but your PCN states:
Penalty charge £11
You have subsequently found out from the NTO that this figure
should be £80.
Once one knows what the sum should be, then it's possible to see
this in the PCN albeit that the reader has to ignore what is
printed - £11 - and view the next line under a microscope
knowing what one is looking for.
But as drivers are not blessed with the gift of clairvoyance, it
would be and was impossible to determine with confidence the
penalty being demanded by reading the PCN alone, and this is the
correct procedural test.
In the council's response to these representations, I would take
it badly if they repeated the non sequitur of their rejection to
my challenge with a reference to 'you also made an informal
challenge' as if this undermines my grounds which it does not
i.e. this permanently printed part was readable, because it was
acted upon, which shows that all free field information must
have been similarly readable.
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