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#Post#: 37905--------------------------------------------------
Bus Gate PCN not received
DIR By: AnnieBee
Date: September 22, 2024, 8:59 pm
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Key point and question in bold in case you can't be bothered to
read the whole thing, I have ADHD and am aware I am a bit
unecessarily wordy!
I was expecting a fine for driving through a Bus Gate to come
through, but we have not received anything. I understand they
normally come through within about two weeks (but I think they
have 28 days?) and the 2 week timescale has now been exceeded.
I am not 100% convinced that we did drive through the Bus Gate,
as I understand the fine is for driving through a very specific
point, not up the "lane" itself, and this is the difference
between a Bus Gate and a Bus Lane. I was not driving and was
talking and so did not notice where the driver was going until
it was too late, and the first thing I noticed was when we drove
over a "Bus Gate" sign in the road, and told the driver who had
not seen the signs (the Bus Gate area/signage is really
confusing (you don't really have time to read it all and take in
where you can and can't go, before you have already driven into
it and you can't get out, and the driver was not local) so I
just tend to avoid it altogether as it's far too easy to go
wrong) to turn off as soon as possible which they did.
Anyhow, my question is should I contact the council to try to
find out whether a PCN has been issued or not? I am concerned
that if one has been issued that it is lost or delayed in the
post and we will lose the right to pay early or cause other
problems if they think we've ignored it. But I also don't want
to do anything to jeopardise challenging the fine if that's
possible, or to encourage them to send out a fine, if they were
going to miss any dates by which it has to be sent. I know form
parking fine issues, that they tell you not to do some things
and are very strict with you (!!!) so I just wanted to make sure
that by checking with the council if one is on the way, I wasn't
doing anything "wrong"!
Thank you very much!
#Post#: 37906--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Gate PCN not received
DIR By: Neil B
Date: September 23, 2024, 1:22 am
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--- Quote from: AnnieBee link ---
>
> aware I am a bit unecessarily wordy!
>
--- End Quote ---
You were right the first time because although you wrote a lot
you appear to have omitted to mention where this occurred?
A Streetview link would help.
But, more importantly, please go and check that your address is
fully correct and up to date on your V5C.
#Post#: 38143--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Gate PCN not received
DIR By: Neil B
Date: September 24, 2024, 12:29 pm
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--- Quote from: Neil B link ---
>
> you appear to have omitted to mention where this occurred?
> A Streetview link would help.
>
> But, more importantly, please go and check that your address
is fully correct and up to date on your V5C.
>
--- End Quote ---
These were not difficult questions?
Not all restrictions are covered by enforcement cameras.
The way that bus lanes and bus gates are enforced is different
depending on inside or outside London. Different in multiple
ways.
PCNs are sent to the address held by DVLA, i.e. as appears on
your V5C at the time of any alleged contravention.
So please help us to help you.
#Post#: 38153--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Gate PCN not received
DIR By: AnnieBee
Date: September 24, 2024, 1:00 pm
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Thank you for taking the time to reply. Apologies for the delay
in coming back to you, I have not been well.
The address on the log book is up to date.
I haven't included an exact location because, as I mentioned,
I'm not exactly sure where it happened and I didn't know that it
was relevant to my question of whether I should chase up the
PCN. You've now clarified that it is. I can't streetview to an
exact location (as I don't know exactly where it occurred) but
it's the bus gates in Brighton along the Old Steine area. I
found a map of them here:
HTML https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2020-10/Bus%20lane%20enforcement%20Valley%20Gdns%20%28003%29.pdf
I know there are enforcement cameras there as I believe this is
one of the most profitable Bus Gates in the country according to
press reports.
I have done a bit of research and I now understand that if you
drive over the words "Bus Gate" then this is where the
contravention will have happened (ie not like Bus lanes, which
have bus lane written periodically along the lane in question),
and as I said in my OP, that definitely happened, as that's when
I noticed the issue.
Looking at the map, and thinking about where we came from, my
guess is that he drove over the red line and the green line,
crossing the Bus Gate at the end of North Road. We definitely
turned left onto Trafalgar Street (as I was yelling at him at
this point to turn left!), so without going back and double
checking the road markings there, the only possibility must be
that I noticed us driving over the Bus Gate markings at the end
of North Road.
I did read that Bus Gates are not like speed cameras, and they
don't get triggered automatically, but there are people watching
the cameras? So presumably possible to make more errors which
could be why it's not arrived? I've also read though that they
have up to 28 days to send it (longer if DVLA are slow),
although this doesn't give you any time to chase it and keep
within the reduced payment period? I think it happened on
Saturday 31st August.
I've just checked the postbox and the PCN has not arrived yet,
so my question is whether the best course of action is to chase
it up, or to leave it?
#Post#: 38158--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Gate PCN not received
DIR By: Neil B
Date: September 24, 2024, 1:18 pm
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This appears to be where you described and if you turned left
into trafalgar, as you described, there should be no problem.
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.8278663,-0.1354435,3a,75y,347.85h,77.19t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sm-C7pZj8VxK06S-4iFOHOw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D12.812073101214096%26panoid%3Dm-C7pZj8VxK06S-4iFOHOw%26yaw%3D347.84910569408936!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkxOC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
FYI Bus Gates outside London are enforced as Bus Lanes.
Even if a PCN was issued and you didn't receive it there is a
reset process you can follow, so come back here if that ever
happens.
#Post#: 38166--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Gate PCN not received
DIR By: AnnieBee
Date: September 24, 2024, 1:58 pm
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Ok thank you - yes I think that was where I noticed driving over
the words Bus Gate! But I do also think he probably (but not
definitely as I wasn't paying attention at this point) drove
past the camera/bus gate at the end of North Road as we came
from the seafront.
But you've answered my question re waiting for the ticket, thank
you. I'll wait and come back if there are further issues. Many
thanks for taking the time to reply.
#Post#: 38179--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Gate PCN not received
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 24, 2024, 3:08 pm
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I would not contact the council.
#Post#: 38190--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bus Gate PCN not received
DIR By: AnnieBee
Date: September 24, 2024, 4:03 pm
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OK thank you for confirming.
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