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#Post#: 37807--------------------------------------------------
Another Variable Speed Limit issue
DIR By: Monnty
Date: September 22, 2024, 8:33 am
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Hi everyone,
I have NIP, served in time etc.. my question is about the actual
display and fail-safe systems.
M62 Manchester to Liverpool. Variable speed had 60 illuminated
on the overhead LED boards and then nothing for a while,. It was
dark so lighting overhead was obvious but passing a gantry at
cruise-controlled 60 "Nip states 58" I get flashed. The next
gantry I pass has a new speed of 40 so I slow.
I did the same journey the next night and it was 60 all the way
through.
My questions are:
A) Is it possible I've been caught out in a speed limit change
after I've passed the last speed limit led board thus not aware
of the new 50 limit? I assume there are processes to prevent
this but this is not my field of expertise.
OR
B) The LED board indicating a change was out of service but the
system thought it was showing the speed limit change but I was
blissfully unaware. I would like to think there was a fail-safe
but is there?
I have a clean licence and am eligible for a speed awareness
course as I've not had an issue in many many years but I'm a bit
aggrieved to lose £100 and half a day of my life because of a
dodgy board or bad timing.
#Post#: 37811--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Variable Speed Limit issue
DIR By: mickR
Date: September 22, 2024, 8:56 am
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There are usually photos on the NIP which show the gantry and
limit displayed. are there any on yours?
post up the NIP with personal details redacted. use an external
host.
#Post#: 37812--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Variable Speed Limit issue
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: September 22, 2024, 9:05 am
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Some NIPs come with photos. Many/most don't. More come with a
link to view offence photos/calibration certificates
(irrelevant)/etc. online. Many don't.
If the NIP doesn't provide a means to view the photos, then
realistically the only way to see them at this stage is to
request photos "to help to identify the driver" (do not
elaborate or spin some convoluted yarn, least said and all that)
before you name yourself as the driver.
Machines, particularly approved devices, are presumed to be
working unless shown not to be. The fact that you don't recall
seeing an earlier reduced limit sign doesn't help. If the photos
show the entry gantry and the signs are not showing, then that
would seem to help.
Won't help you with this case, but going forward, dash cam.
#Post#: 37825--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Variable Speed Limit issue
DIR By: tonys
Date: September 22, 2024, 10:02 am
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Is it possible you misread the sign, after passing a series
showing 60 you didn't spot the last one actually saying 50?
#Post#: 37869--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Variable Speed Limit issue
DIR By: roythebus
Date: September 22, 2024, 2:49 pm
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The earlier speed limit remains until you pass another lower or
higher speed limit sign. It is easy in the rain to confuse 50
for 60. I speak from bitter experience.
#Post#: 37948--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Variable Speed Limit issue
DIR By: Monnty
Date: September 23, 2024, 10:06 am
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Thanks, I can't negate that possibility of missing/misreading
other than to insist I didn't with stubborn determination and no
actual proof. I'm not going to take that argument to court.. :-X
. . it was more a curiosity as to if and what any fail-safes are
present that ensure I didn't fall foul of a speed limit change
after passing the last sign. I presume they exist but I dont
have any personal knowledge. Thanks for the. input
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Re: Another Variable Speed Limit issue
DIR By: slapdash
Date: September 23, 2024, 6:00 pm
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The displays have a failsafe (who knows how good it might be).
National highways ought to have a log, you could try asking them
for both the limits set, the gantry numbers they were set on and
details of any reported failures. (With timings).
You could perhaps also ask how they handle a situation where the
gantry they are attempting to display on has failed, is it moved
to the next gantry or the previous.
It's most likely a change from 60 to 50 was not noticed.
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