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#Post#: 37444--------------------------------------------------
How do you interpret this parking restriction sign?
DIR By: Kbishop
Date: September 18, 2024, 4:19 pm
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Hi All,
I've received a PCN for parking on a single yellow line where
the specific parking restriction is shown in the photo attached.
My reading of the sign is that buses or vehicles over 5 tonnes
are restricted from parking on the yellow line during the hours
specified and that this restriction doesn't apply to cars.
Have I read this sign correctly?
[img]
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Image link below:
HTML https://ibb.co/jJV9Rj2
HTML https://ibb.co/jJV9Rj2
#Post#: 37446--------------------------------------------------
Re: How do you interpret this parking restriction sign?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 18, 2024, 4:21 pm
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Sounds like you were in a controlled parking zone but read this
and post the PCN leaving in all details.
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
#Post#: 37448--------------------------------------------------
Re: How do you interpret this parking restriction sign?
DIR By: Kbishop
Date: September 18, 2024, 4:23 pm
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--- Quote from: Kbishop link ---
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've received a PCN for parking on a single yellow line where
the specific parking restriction is shown in the photo on the
link at the end of the post.
>
> My reading of the sign is that buses or vehicles over 5 tonnes
are restricted from parking on the yellow line during the hours
specified and that this restriction doesn't apply to cars.
>
> Have I read this sign correctly?
>
> [img]
HTML https://ibb.co/jJV9Rj2[/img]
>
> Image link below:
>
HTML https://ibb.co/jJV9Rj2
HTML https://ibb.co/jJV9Rj2
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 37450--------------------------------------------------
Re: How do you interpret this parking restriction sign?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 18, 2024, 4:33 pm
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That sign doesn't help at all. Post the PCN leaving in all
details.
#Post#: 37459--------------------------------------------------
Enfield, 01 Parked in a restricted street during prescribed
hours
DIR By: Kbishop
Date: September 18, 2024, 5:32 pm
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I parked on a single yellow line on Silver Street in Enfield
during the day time.
Google maps location:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/BHFcPFMiio1M8rZo6
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/BHFcPFMiio1M8rZo6
My understanding of the parking restriction sign is that it
applies to buses and vehicles over 5 tonnes (therefore not
cars). I received the PCN and rather than paying the PCN I
appealed it.
I have now received a letter from them stating that they don't
accept my appeal (see link):
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k7DfUkNifrLCeOwR8mrkKHm0x3SsEWCK/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k7DfUkNifrLCeOwR8mrkKHm0x3SsEWCK/view?usp=sharing
The supporting evidence from the parking attendant is in the
photos below:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s-l3dBwhekPlVBiceNqAykqWX3pmjvnH/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s-l3dBwhekPlVBiceNqAykqWX3pmjvnH/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XP1eUsWxp-OiTQ-hEqmAeOnhQphubNw_/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XP1eUsWxp-OiTQ-hEqmAeOnhQphubNw_/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/14A3QFnA2WiPtNrv5ZjJmrw7yLewsXyQf/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/14A3QFnA2WiPtNrv5ZjJmrw7yLewsXyQf/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/15QMhXZDsqyNCYNTEBvphF47nYHyt4rAw/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/15QMhXZDsqyNCYNTEBvphF47nYHyt4rAw/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cw0UbaFiXbVpFB8YRE-4vMbAtOn5bWNY/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cw0UbaFiXbVpFB8YRE-4vMbAtOn5bWNY/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qvSLV3Q-pwtaG5JXElHIOqRVHog_7tjI/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qvSLV3Q-pwtaG5JXElHIOqRVHog_7tjI/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pEku8gtGm3C0Ny6esWZNxIg7bT2VbD2C/view?usp=drive_link
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pEku8gtGm3C0Ny6esWZNxIg7bT2VbD2C/view?usp=drive_link
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Re: How do you interpret this parking restriction sign?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 18, 2024, 5:54 pm
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The CEO shouldn't have taken a pic of the overnight lorry ban as
it's irrelevant to your contravention as their rejection says.
You were in Enfield Town controlled parking zone where single
yellows are restricted according to times on the zone entry
signs.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/dByJVLZ/Screenshot-2024-09-18-at-23-45-17.png
HTML https://i.ibb.co/xCxLtFG/Screenshot-2024-09-18-at-23-46-16.png
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Re: How do you interpret this parking restriction sign?
DIR By: Kbishop
Date: September 19, 2024, 1:45 am
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Thanks, that makes sense now.
My only complaint to Enfield council is that the signage is
misleading because it should also should repeat the restriction
of the overall parking zone restriction in place as well as the
lorry ban.
I assume there's little point appealing on the grounds that
while they are correct, the signage is misleading?
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Re: How do you interpret this parking restriction sign?
DIR By: Phantomcrusader
Date: September 19, 2024, 4:13 am
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A length of yellow line that is independently signed can be
misleading. Take a read from page 194
HTML https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c78f895e5274a0ebfec719b/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf<br
/>where the Govt give signing advice to Councils. Paragraph
14.1.16 covers your scenario where it is recommended to place
two signs to avoid the confusion you faced.
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Re: How do you interpret this parking restriction sign?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 19, 2024, 5:45 am
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It's actually p197:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/9bLpudP.png
Problem is this a recommendation not mandatory but drawing an
adjudicator's attention to it might work - this case didn't do
that.
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2220623404
Contravention date
Contravention time
Contravention location
The allegation in this case is that the vehicle was parked in a
restricted street during prescribed hours. Mr. Saunderson
disputes this on the basis there was a time plate which
indicated restrictions different to the controlled parking zone
restrictions. He has provided information issued by other
Enforcement Authorities. However, the time plate he has provided
a photograph of is one which indicates the overnight lorry ban.
This does not have any application to a single yellow line.
The single yellow line simply indicates ‘No waiting during
restricted hours’. As the Highway Code makes clear there are 2
ways of signing the restricted hours for a single yellow line,
by an adjacent time plate or by controlled parking zone. Where
there is an adjacent time plate this takes precedence. Where
there is no adjacent time plate it is likely the location is
within a controlled parking zone. In a controlled parking zone
the restricted hours are indicated by signs at each vehicular
entry point. There is no legal requirement for time plates
adjacent to a single yellow line within a controlled parking
zone. Indeed the whole purpose of a controlled parking zone is
to avoid the expense and clutter involved in a profusion of
signs.
The Enforcement Authority rely on this location being within a
controlled parking zone for which the restricted hours are
Monday-Saturday 8am-6.30pm. This PCN was issued at 1.54pm on a
Saturday.
Mr. Saunderson has not provided any evidence of a time plate
which did actually vary the restricted hours from the controlled
parking zone restrictions. I am satisfied that the controlled
parking zone restrictions applied.
Having considered all the evidence I am satisfied that the
contravention occurred and that the PCN was properly issued and
served. I am not satisfied that any exemption applies.
#Post#: 37522--------------------------------------------------
Re: How do you interpret this parking restriction sign?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: September 19, 2024, 8:10 am
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The OP's next stage is to make reps against a NTO or to pay.
If there's a chance that Enfield would re-offer the discount in
the event of unsuccessful formal reps then they might consider
this option.
If they do, then I suggest they approach the matter in a
different way and get the authority to say why they have not
followed the TSM advice and why in their initial rejection they
pooh-poohed the significance of the sign when clearly the CEO
felt that it was material because they took the time to include
this in the council's evidence.
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