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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: September 19, 2024, 6:50 am
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> Charge- Was driving slowly 40-45 mph on the M69
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Is that really the actual charge?
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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
DIR By: 666
Date: September 19, 2024, 6:56 am
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--- Quote from: MJ007 link ---
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> So, what if I turn up in court and please no guilty
>
> Charge- Was driving slowly 40-45 mph on the M69
>
> Reason being: Request the prosecution to drop the case, as
it's not in the public interest
>
> How will the judge react?
>
> Yes, agree with me and throw the case out ( and I buy a
winning lotto)
> or
> Laughs at me and sentences me to a hefty fine or points or
ban?
> or
> Says fine, let's have a date in the future, to argue why it's
not in public interest?
>
>
> Can I fight the case myself in court? Learn some law , I got
an excellent memory and topped my batch of 92
> D
>
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It's difficult to see how it could be in the public interest to
turn a blind eye to an (allegedly) blatant case of careless or
inconsiderate driving.
BTW it's more likely to be a bench of three magistrates than a
judge.
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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: September 19, 2024, 6:58 am
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--- Quote from: MJ007 link ---
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> So, what if I turn up in court and please no guilty
>
> Charge- Was driving slowly 40-45 mph on the M69
>
> Reason being: Request the prosecution to drop the case, as
it's not in the public interest
>
> How will the judge react?
>
> Yes, agree with me and throw the case out ( and I buy a
winning lotto)
> or
> Laughs at me and sentences me to a hefty fine or points or
ban?
> or
> Says fine, let's have a date in the future, to argue why it's
not in public interest?
>
>
> Can I fight the case myself in court? Learn some law , I got
an excellent memory and topped my batch of 92
> D
>
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Well as you have already plead guilty you shouldn't turn up in
court and try and reverse it but at least have the courtesy to
not waste court time by doing it in advance.
The bench (probably not a judge for a magistrates court case)
will 'laugh at you' (not literally) - you are meant to put it to
the PROSECUTION (as what you wrote kind of tells you) and that
should be done in advance of any hearing (and after you change
your plea), the judge has nothing to do with it, once the full
court hearings start the CPS are very unlikely to agree to drop
it.
Yes of course you can DIY, whether you should or not still isn't
clear.
This highlights why we asked questions and were hesitant to
simply answer your question, most people don't understand what
they are actually asking for which is why we try and establish
what they should be asking (as opposed to are asking) first.
So why were you doing 40-45? How busy was it? Which lane were
you in? All these are relevant to whether you SHOULD do what you
COULD do.
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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
DIR By: MJ007
Date: September 19, 2024, 8:53 am
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I pleaded guilty to the SJP, precisely to avoid wasting time.
So if whoever it was, found that inappropriate, then isn't this
a whole new ball game?
Most importantly, why is the term used to 'change my plea' .
Isn't this starting with a new slate?
If not, why exactly have I been summoned to court? To enter a
guilty plea which has been rejected by the SJP? Or to increase
the quantum of fines? Doesn't make sense?
If I do make a 'not guilty' plea do I have to inform the court
in advance? There is nothing in the letter about that. It just
states to be present at so and so time and seek legal
assistance, if required in advance
Brief GIST of the letter
A magistrate has decided that your case be referred to a full
court hearing
Reason: Case inappropriate for the SJP
Then the charges
Referral to full court hearing
Reason, as above
advise and help-seek with some website link
if you need general help, contact the court office, with a
disclaimer
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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: September 19, 2024, 9:15 am
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So far as I understand matters, your case began to be tried
under the single justice procedure. For some reason, the court
decided that was no longer appropriate and has adjourned your
case. If that is correct, then you do not need to (or get to)
enter your plea again. You have pleaded guilty, that plea has
(presumably) been accepted but your case is now adjourned.
You can apply to vacate your guilty plea but there are quite
strict criteria around doing so. Dropping out of the SJP isn’t a
reason.
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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
DIR By: MJ007
Date: September 19, 2024, 10:16 am
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> So far as I understand matters, your case began to be tried
under the single justice procedure. For some reason, the court
decided that was no longer appropriate and has adjourned your
case. If that is correct, then you do not need to (or get to)
enter your plea again. You have pleaded guilty, that plea has
(presumably) been accepted but your case is now adjourned.
>
> You can apply to vacate your guilty plea but there are quite
strict criteria around doing so. Dropping out of the SJP isn’t a
reason.
>
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So basically I have been called to court to do exactly what ?
Plead guilty, as before
Same evidence ,as before? The traffic cell, who deal with cases
deemed it was worth a course or 3 points/ 100 quid
What else do they want from me?
More dough? extract as much as possible?
yep, easy money to be made, while rapists and murderers walk
free, as they are a loss making venture
Netflix Rebel Ridge comes to mind
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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
DIR By: 666
Date: September 19, 2024, 10:47 am
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--- Quote from: MJ007 link ---
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> [quote author=Southpaw82 link=topic=3160.msg37532#msg37532
date=1726755354]
> So far as I understand matters, your case began to be tried
under the single justice procedure. For some reason, the court
decided that was no longer appropriate and has adjourned your
case. If that is correct, then you do not need to (or get to)
enter your plea again. You have pleaded guilty, that plea has
(presumably) been accepted but your case is now adjourned.
>
> You can apply to vacate your guilty plea but there are quite
strict criteria around doing so. Dropping out of the SJP isn’t a
reason.
>
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What else do they want from me?
More dough? extract as much as possible?
yep, easy money to be made, while rapists and murderers walk
free, as they are a loss making venture
Netflix Rebel Ridge comes to mind
[/quote]
Whatever you're fined, neither the police, the CPS nor the court
get to see a penny of it. Strange money-making plot.
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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: September 19, 2024, 10:54 am
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--- Quote from: MJ007 link ---
>
> So basically I have been called to court to do exactly what ?
> Plead guilty, as before
> Same evidence ,as before? The traffic cell, who deal with
cases deemed it was worth a course or 3 points/ 100 quid
> What else do they want from me?
>
> More dough? extract as much as possible?
>
> yep, easy money to be made, while rapists and murderers walk
free, as they are a loss making venture
>
> Netflix Rebel Ridge comes to mind
>
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How would I know? I’m not the one with all the paperwork, though
I appreciate it might not contain a reason.
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Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: September 19, 2024, 11:07 am
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Amongst a lot of semi-coherent noise, you have told us that you
entered a guilty plea to the SJPN and included some unspecified
mitigation. You have completely ignored NJ's very pertinent
question as to what you put in your mitigation, and continued to
make a lot of semi-coherent noise.
What did you put in your mitigation?
#Post#: 37561--------------------------------------------------
Re: Traffic offence Solicitors in Leamington Spa-Coventry area
DIR By: roythebus
Date: September 19, 2024, 12:30 pm
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Were you by chance doing 45 in lane 2 or lane 3 or along the
hard shoulder?
I sometimes have to use lane 2 or 3 when I'm driving a bus that
may be limited to 45 mph as a lot of town buses are, but I move
back over to lane 1 as soon as possible to avoid delaying
others. We still don't know what your circumstances were.
As you've already pleaded guilty, in my view you're too late to
change your mind unless as others have said, you have special
circumstances. Why do people get paranoid about getting a
speeding or other traffic offence ticket? Most times the safe
driving course or the £100 and 3 points is the cheapest and
easiest option. Maybe you'd like to employ expert witnesses,
they don't come cheap at about £2k a day.
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