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#Post#: 37058--------------------------------------------------
Speeding, police don’t believe details, unsure of driver
DIR By: Sal99939
Date: September 16, 2024, 8:34 am
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Hi everyone, hope you are well,
I'm new to the forum and just wanted to say it looks like a
fantastic community—kudos to the creators and contributors for
making it such a valuable resource!
I'm reaching out for some advice on a speeding ticket issue
we're dealing with. My sister received a speeding notice for an
offense that occurred on 12/05/2024. The letter she received was
dated 14/05/2024. At that time, I was actually in possession of
the car, so she sent them my details as the potential driver.
However, it's possible that either I or the mechanic could have
been driving the car.
My sister has now come to me with the second letter, as she’s
concerned that something might be wrong with the details I
provided or something else. The cover letter states that
"enquiries have been made in relation to information provided
and we have reasonable grounds to suspect the information
provided is false or misleading." I’ve searched the forum for
answers but quickly realized that most of these cases are unique
and might require specific advice.
Has anyone had a similar experience or know how to handle this
situation? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
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Re: Speeding, police don’t believe details, unsure of driver
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: September 16, 2024, 8:48 am
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So to be clear, your sister sent in your details, name and
address (and DL number - though not a legal requirement) and the
Police are questioning it?
Are you perhaps female and the mechanic (who perhaps they can
see driving) male or vice versa? Otherwise I can see no reason
why they did that, usually that letter is sent in response to a
known 'NIP farm' details being given.
If she gave YOUR correct details then all she can do is reply
saying they are correct and that the car was loaned to you as
keeper and that you will be in a position to name yourself or
some other person as driver.
#Post#: 37070--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding, police don’t believe details, unsure of driver
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: September 16, 2024, 9:08 am
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Much of this potentially depends on what the s. 172 notice/form
actually says. If it asks for the name of the [actual] driver,
then if she was unable to provide such information, she should
have provided further information, even if it was just that the
car had been lent to you at the time.
If it merely asks for the name of the driver/potential
driver/person wot it was lent to/etc., then it would seem that
she has complied.
#Post#: 37076--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding, police don’t believe details, unsure of driver
DIR By: Sal99939
Date: September 16, 2024, 9:37 am
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I am a male, as is the vehicle mechanic who may have been
driving at the time.
I did not know of the NIP until this second letter arrived. She
sent in my details as she is the registered keeper but I was in
possession of the car the time. Details she sent were correct.
I have never had any NIPs on my name, I have never had any
points on my license or been on a course for that matter.
#Post#: 37081--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding, police don’t believe details, unsure of driver
DIR By: The Slithy Tove
Date: September 16, 2024, 9:51 am
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Let's get this right.
Did your sister reply to the initial NIP with your (correct)
details? Or was she more vague about it, e.g. someone else's
details?
Did you subsequently get your own S.172 request and reply to it?
(You said in your first post "something might be wrong with the
details I provided or something else," suggesting you did. Yet
you next post says "I did not know of the NIP until this second
letter arrived." Some consistency would help.)
So, what exactly did you reply with? Did you unequivocally name
either yourself or the mechanic?
Seems it's taken best part of 4 months for the police to
investigate whatever they were told. Be good to know what they
were told and by whom.
#Post#: 37086--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding, police don’t believe details, unsure of driver
DIR By: Sal99939
Date: September 16, 2024, 10:30 am
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Apologies, see below answers to your questions in red.
Did your sister reply to the initial NIP with your (correct)
details? Or was she more vague about it, e.g. someone else's
details?
Yes, she replied with my details, they were correct. My address
has not changed in 38 years, my name has never changed. She did
not have my driving license number.
Did you subsequently get your own S.172 request and reply to it?
(You said in your first post "something might be wrong with the
details I provided or something else," suggesting you did. Yet
you next post says "I did not know of the NIP until this second
letter arrived." Some consistency would help.)
No, I have not received a S.172, my sister filled in the first
S.172 and sent it back to them, she did not tell me about it.
When she received the second one with the accompanying letter
saying they believe the details to be incorrect she came to me
with letter concerned.
So, what exactly did you reply with? Did you unequivocally name
either yourself or the mechanic?
She did not know the mechanics details so named me. I think her
thought was I would get a letter and name the mechanic myself.
--- Quote from: The Slithy Tove link ---
>
> Let's get this right.
> Did your sister reply to the initial NIP with your (correct)
details? Or was she more vague about it, e.g. someone else's
details?
> Did you subsequently get your own S.172 request and reply to
it? (You said in your first post "something might be wrong with
the details I provided or something else," suggesting you did.
Yet you next post says "I did not know of the NIP until this
second letter arrived." Some consistency would help.)
> So, what exactly did you reply with? Did you unequivocally
name either yourself or the mechanic?
> Seems it's taken best part of 4 months for the police to
investigate whatever they were told. Be good to know what they
were told and by whom.
>
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#Post#: 37106--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding, police don’t believe details, unsure of driver
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: September 16, 2024, 2:09 pm
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One thought, are you insured on the car? Or do you have valid
‘drive other vehicle’ cover on your insurance? It may be you are
not showing as insured.
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Re: Speeding, police don’t believe details, unsure of driver
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: September 16, 2024, 2:12 pm
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If your sister simply returned the NIP/s172 request to identify
the driver with all your correct details, then there is no
obvious reason why the police would think that the information
she has supplied is false. Why would they if all the
identifying information is correct?
Hopefully your sister had the common sense to keep a copy of the
reponse she returned naming you. If I were you (and even more
so if I were her) I'd be checking that copy to see what could
possibly be wrong with the information she supplied.
Please note that if her response was equivocal the police would
reject it. So if she didn't simply nominate you as the driver
but instead said anything like "I'm not 100% sure but it was
probably my brother" then it would be rejected.
It's important you check exactly what she told them. She still
needs to nominate you of course, but she doen't want to do that
until you both know why the police think the initial nomination
was false
#Post#: 37135--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding, police don’t believe details, unsure of driver
DIR By: The Slithy Tove
Date: September 17, 2024, 2:12 am
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--- Quote from: ManxTom link ---
>
> Please note that if her response was equivocal the police
would reject it. So if she didn't simply nominate you as the
driver but instead said anything like "I'm not 100% sure but it
was probably my brother" then it would be rejected.
>
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The thing is that it has taken 4 months to get to this point. An
equivocal response would have got speedier action, surely, or
possibly a straight Failing to Furnish charge.
What the OP hasn't said about this letter the police sent is
what they expect the next steps to be. Have they given the
sister the opportunity to resubmit, or something else?
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