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       Waltham Forest Council 
   DIR By: Hashim
       Date: August 2, 2023, 4:05 pm
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       Dear members
       I received this today.
       I thought that the whole idea is not to stop traffic. When I
       entered the box the way was clear and then a white van from the
       opposite direction took the place I qas going to take leaving me
       on the edge of the box. Also from the video footage I am seen
       slowly moving maybe stopped for literally a few seconds right at
       the edge.
       I feel that this is really unfair. Should I appeal?.
       Thanks
       Hashim
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       #Post#: 2488--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Waltham Forest Council 
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: August 2, 2023, 6:18 pm
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       Video:
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp7M-yx6Cmw
       I'll draft something for you tomorrow.
       #Post#: 2546--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Waltham Forest Council 
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: August 3, 2023, 7:33 pm
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       Draft reps:
       [indent]
       Dear London Borough of Waltham Forest,
       The video starts at frame number 4690587 and even from the naked
       eye it is clear the car is moving at least until frame 4690782
       when the camera operator starts to zoom in.
       When we get to video frame 4690796 it is clear the vehicle is
       still moving, as playing the video frame by frame clearly shows:
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPQdFpp5YUg
       Indeed by playing the video one frame at a time, movement can be
       detected up to frame 4691000 or 16.600 seconds into the video.
       This can be confirmed by playing frames 4690980 to 4691010, or
       from 15.800 seconds to 17 seconds and observing the movement of
       the offside mirror:
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQiot359Sbw
       Hence the car is stationary when the camera operator zooms out
       and reveals the following scenario:
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/lMtwSWJ.png
       It must be remembered at this point that it is only a
       contravention to stop if a vehicle is forced to stop owing to
       the presence of stationary vehicles. When my vehicle became
       stationary, the rear wheels and bumper where within the box
       markings but it can be seen that the car did not protrude into
       the box, with some approximation, more than the end of the first
       set of diamond shapes where the red line is drawn below:
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/qVB5FLD.png
       This distance can be shown to be approximately 3 feet 4 inches:
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/eBFTH74.png
       Even making a generous 25% allowance for the angle of the
       camera, my car would still only be protruding into the box by
       approximately 4 feet 2 inches or 4.16 feet:
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/XLmE9hA.png
       The width between the dark coloured car on my nearside and the
       van on my offside is plainly wide enough for my car. If for
       argument's sake those two vehicles had broken down, there would
       have been more than ample space for me to drive through the gap
       between those two vehicles.
       Therefore the only issue is whether my progress was impeded by
       the white car ahead, and I contend that it was not. This is
       because the white car ahead was stationary on the far-side of
       the northwesternmost diagram 1055.3 marking, which are situated
       no less than 13.28 feet northwest of the yellow box:
  HTML https://i.imgur.com/UcMv5MW.png
       It follows that given the size of the gap, there was more than
       ample space for me to pull forward. Hence I did not stop in the
       box junction because my path was impeded by stationary vehicles,
       rather I stopped because I chose not to obstruct the pedestrian
       crossing. It is a common myth perpetuated by councils that
       stopping in a box junction for any reason is a contravention,
       but this is not the case: it is only a contravention if the
       vehicle stops because it cannot proceed owing to the presence of
       stationary vehicles. Where a vehicle stops for some other
       reason, whatever that reason might be, the contravention alleged
       cannot occur.
       It follows that the PCN must be cancelled.
       Yours faithfully,
       [/indent]
       You'll have to put this all in a PDF file in order to preserve
       formatting, indentation and so on. Also, don't use the youtube
       links I've put on this thread, I'll send you some special links
       (that you must not click on) that we can use to check if the
       authority actually watches the videos we're supplying. If they
       don't, we'll have them on the hook for failure to consider.
       #Post#: 2553--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Waltham Forest Council 
   DIR By: guest179
       Date: August 4, 2023, 3:40 am
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       Let's hope cp's work works because so far the OP's account on
       its own wouldn't.
       The 'white van' had nearly left the box having completed its
       manoeuvre before the OP entered, contrary to what's been posted;
       The OP overtook the left-turn lane and turned left from a lane
       when they shouldn't.
       OP, stick with cp's detail and forget your version because when
       there's a video which gives the lie to your account your
       credibility cannot recover.
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