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#Post#: 36455--------------------------------------------------
Camden - Code 33H - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles
local buses and cycles
DIR By: a.b
Date: September 11, 2024, 10:14 am
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I don't normally travel on the bike to work, but on this date, I
couldn't see the vehicle restriction sign and went through.
If anyone can help, that would be much appreciated.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/xYzSdT1.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/UlVloV9.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/wP12hrF.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/9HYJwVF.png
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/5EJFnkg82LpdhXtUA
#Post#: 36465--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Code 33H - Using a route restricted to certain
vehicles local buses and cycles
DIR By: FaeLLe
Date: September 11, 2024, 11:08 am
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Can you get us pictures of current signage before you entered
the road along with road markings?
#Post#: 36477--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Code 33H - Using a route restricted to certain
vehicles local buses and cycles
DIR By: a.b
Date: September 11, 2024, 12:05 pm
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If you turn right from here:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/DRymsr1t4h8juH4w5
and follow the
motorbike, at the next set of traffic lights, that is where the
contravention occurred.
There are no road markings or signage until that point.
The first picture also shows I was behind a DPD van as well
which may have obscured signage on approach.
I took this picture a few hours ago.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/ZGqWLK7.jpeg
#Post#: 36490--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Code 33H - Using a route restricted to certain
vehicles local buses and cycles
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 11, 2024, 12:44 pm
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Well, having looked at the video, you might struggle with this
PCN.
Video shows a van turning left, then you shooting past at what
looks to be much more than the 20mph speed limit ! An
adjudicator could well think it's your own fault for not riding
slowly enough to take in the various road signs and their
meaning !
On the other hand, there really should be two signs here, one
each side of the road, with the heavy bus traffic on this
street, obscuration of the single sign is almost guaranteed to
occur. Of course, most people just cough-up so these sign issues
never get aired.
#Post#: 36491--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Code 33H - Using a route restricted to certain
vehicles local buses and cycles
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 11, 2024, 12:47 pm
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HTML https://i.imgur.com/moEiiZQ.gif
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Re: Camden - Code 33H - Using a route restricted to certain
vehicles local buses and cycles
DIR By: a.b
Date: September 11, 2024, 1:01 pm
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The fault is mine for whizzing past. As you say, the signage
could be clearer.
Like this one just around the corner -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/Gh4d3bxqRHnn6crk8
Or this one here which is much more explicit:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/6guK44xS1hp3bM666
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Re: Camden - Code 33H - Using a route restricted to certain
vehicles local buses and cycles
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 11, 2024, 1:06 pm
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TSM Chapter Three:
9.7.2.  The upright signs need to be placed as near
as practicable to the point where the
restriction commences, but there is no specific requirement to
provide a sign on each side of the
carriageway. This relaxation has been made to reduce
environmental impact, but care should
be taken to ensure that a single sign is clearly visible to all
road users and does not give rise
to issues relating to enforcement or road safety. This might
require the sign in some instances
to be placed on the off side of the road. There are likely to be
some situations where two signs
will still be preferable. Drivers should not be placed in the
situation where they might not see
the sign before starting to turn at a road junction. Also, at a
junction where the side road is at an
acute angle with the major road, two signs might be required so
that it is clear as to which road
the prohibition applies
9.7.8.  The marking to diagram 1048.5 is optional
and might be particularly useful where there
is only one upright sign (see 9.7.2). It should never be used as
a substitute for the upright
signs (particularly where the route is for buses only and no
other vehicles are permitted); the
Regulations prescribe the marking as being for a road that may
be used by vehicles indicated
on upright signs
I will craft a draft for you later.
****
Dear Camden
PCN
VRM
I make this formal representation in support of having the PCN
cancelled.
Three
1. The signage is inadequate. I rely upon this passage from TSM
Chapter Three:
9.7.2.  The upright signs need to be placed as near
as practicable to the point where the
restriction commences, but there is no specific requirement to
provide a sign on each side of the
carriageway. This relaxation has been made to reduce
environmental impact, but care should
be taken to ensure that a single sign is clearly visible to all
road users and does not give rise
to issues relating to enforcement or road safety. This might
require the sign in some instances
to be placed on the off side of the road. There are likely to be
some situations where two signs
will still be preferable.
Drivers should not be placed in the situation where they might
not see
the sign before starting to turn at a road junction. Also, at a
junction where the side road is at an
acute angle with the major road, two signs might be required so
that it is clear as to which road
the prohibition applies
2. Further there is a plethora of signage at the onside of the
road at the junction.
3. Also, the van obscured my view of the said signage.
4. There should also be a legend to diagram 1048.5 placed on the
carriageway. I rely upon the following:
9.7.8.  The marking to diagram 1048.5 is optional
and might be particularly useful where there
is only one upright sign (see 9.7.2). It should never be used as
a substitute for the upright
signs (particularly where the route is for buses only and no
other vehicles are permitted); the
Regulations prescribe the marking as being for a road that may
be used by vehicles indicated
on upright signs
In light of the above, please cancel the PCN
Yours
#Post#: 36509--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Code 33H - Using a route restricted to certain
vehicles local buses and cycles
DIR By: a.b
Date: September 11, 2024, 1:37 pm
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Thank you! I'll get that sent off and reply back when there's an
update.
#Post#: 36513--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Code 33H - Using a route restricted to certain
vehicles local buses and cycles
DIR By: roythebus
Date: September 11, 2024, 1:48 pm
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That restriction sign is difficult to see with all the other
signage before it. the only hint is the blue arrow pointing left
with the except buses etc round sign.
#Post#: 36517--------------------------------------------------
Re: Camden - Code 33H - Using a route restricted to certain
vehicles local buses and cycles
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 11, 2024, 2:04 pm
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--- Quote from: roythebus link ---
>
> That restriction sign is difficult to see with all the other
signage before it. the only hint is the blue arrow pointing left
with the except buses etc round sign.
>
--- End Quote ---
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