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#Post#: 36440--------------------------------------------------
Highgate High Street/South Grove - no right turn (N6, Haringey)
DIR By: NotFair
Date: September 11, 2024, 7:01 am
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I have received a PCN for a prohibited right turn at this
location:
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5708168,-0.1481945,3a,75y,99.17h,90.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQW3iqL6um82yOqhc02iztQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkwOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
The person driving insists that the signs, in the dead of the
night, were not lit, and were not easily visible.
This is the video evidence provided:
HTML https://imgur.com/exVsapN
And here is the PCN:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/d1QJN43.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/oqVSPKy.jpeg
The previously known PCN defect appears to have been fixed.
Are there any grounds for appeal (other than trying to argue
that the signs couldn't be seen?)
Thank you.
#Post#: 36443--------------------------------------------------
Re: Highgate High Street/South Grove - no right turn (N6,
Haringey)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 11, 2024, 8:17 am
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There may be an issue with the camera certification, but wait
for others as I'm not an expert on this aspect. As for the
signs, GSV dated July 2022 shows three of them, with two
illuminated, plus a sign underneath saying "No right turn into
South Grover" and the street is lit (at least there are
lampposts !), so I think you'll struggle with "I didn't see the
signs".
#Post#: 36447--------------------------------------------------
Re: Highgate High Street/South Grove - no right turn (N6,
Haringey)
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 11, 2024, 9:00 am
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This is a well-known location looked at by I think Mr Mustard
and others - I think it may be watertight now in wording and
signage, but one point I recall is it's on the boundary between
Haringey and Camden and maybe Haringey doesn't have
jurisdiction.
#Post#: 36449--------------------------------------------------
Re: Highgate High Street/South Grove - no right turn (N6,
Haringey)
DIR By: NotFair
Date: September 11, 2024, 9:20 am
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I think Highgate High St is in Haringey, and South Grove is in
Camden.
#Post#: 36710--------------------------------------------------
Re: Highgate High Street/South Grove - no right turn (N6,
Haringey)
DIR By: NotFair
Date: September 13, 2024, 3:01 am
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Bumping as I don't have a great deal of time left to submit
reps.
Any and all bright ideas welcome!
#Post#: 36721--------------------------------------------------
Re: Highgate High Street/South Grove - no right turn (N6,
Haringey)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 13, 2024, 4:08 am
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--- Quote from: NotFair link ---
>
> Bumping as I don't have a great deal of time left to submit
reps.
>
> Any and all bright ideas welcome!
>
--- End Quote ---
I don't think there are any Magic Bullets for this one; best to
submit whatever you think is necessary. The fact there are three
signs there, two illuminated, is against you.
#Post#: 36726--------------------------------------------------
Re: Highgate High Street/South Grove - no right turn (N6,
Haringey)
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 13, 2024, 4:28 am
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You could try Mr Mustard - mrmustard@zoho.com - to see if he has
anything on this.
The last adjudication I can see was refused on there being three
no right signs and road markings but you are looking for
something else to do with the PCN.
#Post#: 36740--------------------------------------------------
Re: Highgate High Street/South Grove - no right turn (N6,
Haringey)
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: September 13, 2024, 5:55 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> You could try Mr Mustard - mrmustard@zoho.com - to see if he
has anything on this.
>
> The last adjudication I can see was refused on there being
three no right signs and road markings but you are looking for
something else to do with the PCN.
>
--- End Quote ---
He's cycling at the moment having a break from this mad parking
world. The PCN has been fixed for several months due to our 6
cases or so being won.
Suggested draft based on this: The person driving insists that
the signs, in the dead of the night, were not lit, and were not
easily visible.
Dear Haringey
I request cancellation of this PCN because the signage is not
fit for purpose as it was not illuminated on the said day/night
of the alleged contravention.
Please cancel
Registered keeper.
I would also produce a written and signed statement by the
driver which can be added as a file.
#Post#: 42977--------------------------------------------------
Re: Highgate High Street/South Grove - no right turn (N6,
Haringey)
DIR By: NotFair
Date: October 29, 2024, 1:45 pm
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Hi all,
NoR has been received, as expected. They've re-offered the
discount.
Do I have any other grounds for appeal?
HTML https://i.imgur.com/o4NRyk4.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/SPudALI.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/lYX9rPA.jpeg
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