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#Post#: 36067--------------------------------------------------
Multiple letters for speeding received on the same day - any
potential to appeal and have them consolidated?
DIR By: gazwils7
Date: September 8, 2024, 4:56 am
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Hi, I've been driving for 5 years now. No claims, clean license
with no points and no previous issues whatsoever.
I recently had to start driving a different road where I live,
it's a 30mph limit but a really wide road so I had honestly just
assumed that it was a 40 - silly I know. There are also no speed
camera signs on this road (I went back to check) and apparently
it's hidden in the trees too.
I received two letters (NIPs) for going 40mph on the same road
three days apart, and I anticipate getting another one this week
coming. I appreciate that I can't claim ignorance - However both
of the letters I received have the same issue date and arrived
in the post the same day.
I truly know that I wouldn't have gone at this speed again if I
had received a first warning, but it's like I've just been
slammed 2/3 times at once without any notice of the error. Going
from zero points to potentially 9, same exact speed, same exact
road, all within one week of each other.
Is there any course of action where I'm able to have these
treated as one offence? I understand that the rules are the
rules, but this just feels ridiculous. I'd be glad to get some
input from people that aren't just family & friends. Thanks a
lot for reading.
#Post#: 36068--------------------------------------------------
Re: Multiple letters for speeding received on the same day - any
potential to appeal and have them consolidated?
DIR By: 666
Date: September 8, 2024, 5:23 am
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If this was in England or Wales, then you will be offered a
speed awareness course for one of the offences, so six points
maximum.
The absence of camera signs is irrelevant. They are not
required.
#Post#: 36072--------------------------------------------------
Re: Multiple letters for speeding received on the same day - any
potential to appeal and have them consolidated?
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: September 8, 2024, 5:58 am
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You can ask the CTO to show leniency. They almost certainly
won't, but they are the only ones with the discretion to
drop/combine the allegations.
#Post#: 36086--------------------------------------------------
Re: Multiple letters for speeding received on the same day - any
potential to appeal and have them consolidated?
DIR By: slapdash
Date: September 8, 2024, 7:55 am
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HTML https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/received-2-nips-on-same-journey-17-minutes-apart/
Different circumstances but occasionally people do get lucky.
#Post#: 36152--------------------------------------------------
Re: Multiple letters for speeding received on the same day - any
potential to appeal and have them consolidated?
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: September 9, 2024, 3:02 am
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--- Quote from: gazwils7 link ---
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> it's a 30mph limit but a really wide road so I had honestly
just assumed that it was a 40
>
--- End Quote ---
This is a common error, there need never have to be an
assumption of speed limits as it is always signed as stated in
the Highway Code, in this case I will make a stab at it having a
system of street lighting (making it a 30 limit unless otherwise
indicated) with no repeaters for a different limit?
--- Quote from: gazwils7 link ---
>
> There are also no speed camera signs on this road (I went back
to check) and apparently it's hidden in the trees too.
>
--- End Quote ---
No need for any signs or for the camera to be visible for you to
be be convicted, you don't get a 'sporting chance'.
--- Quote from: gazwils7 link ---
>
> Is there any course of action where I'm able to have these
treated as one offence? I understand that the rules are the
rules, but this just feels ridiculous. I'd be glad to get some
input from people that aren't just family & friends. Thanks a
lot for reading.
>
--- End Quote ---
They are clearly not one offence, as a simile, if you burgle a
house going in and out 3 times it's one offence, if you go there
on three separate days it's 3 offences, same here.
As it's clearly 3 separate criminal offences it may seem to be
ridiculous to you, I think most people wouldn't see it that way.
People have had some success by returning all the driver
nomination forms in one envelope with a plea for clemency, DO
NOT make any of the 'excuses' above apart from saying it as a
simple misunderstanding of the limit and you had had no chance
to modify your behaviour, but as your licence isn't at risk here
I doubt you'll get any relief at all. Most cases were we have
seen some success is where the driver will 'tot' or risk new
driver revocation.
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