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PCN 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition
DIR By: mdar50743
Date: September 7, 2024, 4:48 pm
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HI,
I received a PCN - 52M - Failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles
I have never been to that area and really have no idea about the
PCN.
Could anyone please advise on any appeal for the PCN?
Thank you.
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Re: PCN 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 7, 2024, 6:26 pm
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First off, please read this, and update your thread accordingly
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I suggest you first go onto the H & F website and look at their
video of the alleged contravention. If you can download it and
post it here, all the better, or give us the PCN Number and car
reg, and we can look for ourselves
HTML https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/parking/parking-tickets-and-enforcement/view-pcn-videos
I looked up the location on GSV using the location information
on your PCN, but GSV is out-of-date (September 2022), and shows
no traffic prohibitions, although there is a width restriction
point. It looks as if a new traffic restriction barring motor
vehicles along the street has been imposed. This may only
operate at certain times, normally around school entrances. The
sign is know as the "Flying Motorbike" sign and means No Entry
for motor vehicles.
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Re: PCN 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 8, 2024, 1:06 am
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This is not addressed to you, but to Hertz. Have you written
authority to make reps on behalf of Hertz?
What are the terms of your agreement with Hertz re penalty
charges.
Follow Incandescent's advice above and wait for the experts to
comment on the leasing situation.
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Re: PCN 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 8, 2024, 4:20 am
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+1 to the above
What are Hertz going to do about the PCN, pay it and charge you,
or submit representations that they are a hire company, and pass
on your name and address as the hirer ? It all depends on your
agreement with Hertz UK, so you need to check with them. Until
you get a PCN with your name and address on it, you have no
legal responsibility to pay or appeal it.
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Re: PCN 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition
DIR By: mdar50743
Date: September 8, 2024, 5:56 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> +1 to the above
>
> What are Hertz going to do about the PCN, pay it and charge
you, or submit representations that they are a hire company, and
pass on your name and address as the hirer ? It all depends on
your agreement with Hertz UK, so you need to check with them.
Until you get a PCN with your name and address on it, you have
no legal responsibility to pay or appeal it.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you so much for your reply.
I received this from Hertz:
Thanks for your email, I have investigated the terms and
conditions state that we will pay the fines when they are
received. This is an automated process. Therefore, I can issue
you with an appeal notice and you will need to appeal the
ticket. If you win the appeal, we will then refund accordingly.
Please note the rental agreement you signed gives the process
and you have agreed with these terms and conditions.
Please advise if you wish to go ahead and I will request the
appeal notice?
I replied: I do wish to appeal to all the parking fines I have
received or wish to receive in the future.
Just to add I did go on the H & F website and it says the Case
is now Closed. I am assuming as Hertz has already paid the Fine
but they have said I can appeal and they will waive the charges
if successful.
So, if I can't see the video for the fine, how can I challenge?
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Re: PCN 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 8, 2024, 6:28 pm
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I'm afraid Hertz have told you a load of complete tosh. There is
no process as they describe, the correct one is that they submit
representations to the enforcing council that they are a hire
company, and supply the hirer's name and address on the date of
the alleged contravention. The council can then cancel the PCN
and issue another one to the person they have supplied as hirer.
What they have done is cut off any possibility of you submitting
representations against the PCN. We see this a lot and frankly
one has to wonder if the hire companies are just being
deliberately mendacious, to make their admin easier.
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Re: PCN 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition
DIR By: mdar50743
Date: September 9, 2024, 5:28 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
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> I'm afraid Hertz have told you a load of complete tosh. There
is no process as they describe, the correct one is that they
submit representations to the enforcing council that they are a
hire company, and supply the hirer's name and address on the
date of the alleged contravention. The council can then cancel
the PCN and issue another one to the person they have supplied
as hirer.
>
> What they have done is cut off any possibility of you
submitting representations against the PCN. We see this a lot
and frankly one has to wonder if the hire companies are just
being deliberately mendacious, to make their admin easier.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you for your reply.
I have emailed Hertz to tell them I wish to challenge for this
fine.
I will write back as soon as I get reply from Hertz or H & F
council.
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Re: PCN 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition
DIR By: mdar50743
Date: September 9, 2024, 5:52 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> I'm afraid Hertz have told you a load of complete tosh. There
is no process as they describe, the correct one is that they
submit representations to the enforcing council that they are a
hire company, and supply the hirer's name and address on the
date of the alleged contravention. The council can then cancel
the PCN and issue another one to the person they have supplied
as hirer.
>
> What they have done is cut off any possibility of you
submitting representations against the PCN. We see this a lot
and frankly one has to wonder if the hire companies are just
being deliberately mendacious, to make their admin easier.
>
--- End Quote ---
I have received a reply for Hertz.
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Sorry for sounding a complete novice (which I clearly am), this
is a Third Party Authorisation Letter. Can i please ask what do
I need to do next with this letter?
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Re: PCN 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 9, 2024, 6:40 am
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First thing to find out is, have they paid the PCN ? If they
have the letter of authority is useless to you. This is the key
sentence in their initial contact with you about the PCN: -
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> Thanks for your email, I have investigated the terms and
conditions state that we will pay the fines when they are
received. This is an automated process. Therefore, I can issue
you with an appeal notice and you will need to appeal the
ticket. If you win the appeal, we will then refund accordingly.
--- End Quote ---
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Re: PCN 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition
DIR By: mdar50743
Date: September 9, 2024, 2:44 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> First thing to find out is, have they paid the PCN ? If they
have the letter of authority is useless to you. This is the key
sentence in their initial contact with you about the PCN: -
>
> [quote]Thanks for your email, I have investigated the terms
and conditions state that we will pay the fines when they are
received. This is an automated process. Therefore, I can issue
you with an appeal notice and you will need to appeal the
ticket. If you win the appeal, we will then refund accordingly.
--- End Quote ---
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Unfortunately, due to their T&C's they have paid the fine
already. So, I can't do anything about this or any fines?
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