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#Post#: 35669--------------------------------------------------
Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: Sam6688
Date: September 4, 2024, 4:07 pm
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Good evening guys hope everyone is doing good.
I know it's my fault staying in yellow box but any possibility I
can contest or make representation as I was only 7 or 8 seconds
in junction as soon as I notice there are cars i moved out.
Also traffic was moving so I moved forward, stopped for around 8
seconds to see if I have a space in front when I realised it is
space and other cars approaching to turn right through yellow
box I moved forward.
Please find the link at the end of this post.
Do I stand any chance in appeal.
If yes then what it will be please.
Any suggesstion or help will be much appreciated.
HTML https://1drv.ms/v/c/4fdadd7ae67b3626/ERPS0ivYXQ9Fn2CE-DCQai4BZ61hUrgSr-FuD0-5Rd4Z9Q
HTML https://1drv.ms/i/c/4fdadd7ae67b3626/Ecxe36GPxVxAme_hSnApZu0B4-IwMlnwbQYJ0pCtbpy7Zw
HTML https://1drv.ms/i/c/4fdadd7ae67b3626/EZUxvzbMrUdLi2B85oPwdgwBFYLeeJjPMEXF-jpcDuNtpg
#Post#: 35675--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 4, 2024, 4:40 pm
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Add Ilford Lane Redbridge to the title of your thread.
This isn't a contravention because your exit was not blocked by
a stationary vehicle.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/NujoO7c.gif
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Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: MrChips
Date: September 4, 2024, 4:50 pm
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+1
First step will be to submit representations to the council
based on that point (and any other defence we can come up with).
99% probability Redbridge will reject these and you will then
need to go to the final stage of appealing to tribunal where you
would get an unbiased judgement where I think you would win.
#Post#: 35685--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 4, 2024, 5:40 pm
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Just wondering if, when the OP drove on across the YBJ, he
cleared the box, because the video stops before the box is
cleared.
If the box was cleared after moving forward, there is obviously
no contravention as the law is that the vehicle has to stop in
the box due to the presence of stationary vehicles.
#Post#: 35691--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: Sam6688
Date: September 4, 2024, 8:43 pm
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+1
Thanks for your replay Mr stamfordman.
So If I'm not wrong and if I guessed it right that you are
saying this is not a contravention. So I have c good chance to
appeal and get it cancelled. Please guide me through if
possible. Thank you.
#Post#: 35692--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: Sam6688
Date: September 4, 2024, 8:51 pm
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--- Quote from: MrChips link ---
>
> +1
>
> First step will be to submit representations to the council
based on that point (and any other defence we can come up with).
>
> 99% probability Redbridge will reject these and you will then
need to go to the final stage of appealing to tribunal where you
would get an unbiased judgement where I think you would win.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks MrChips so I need to select option at the back of pcn
that there was no contravention. And in details I need to put
reason for it that there was no stationary vehicle infront if me
and traffic was moving so I stopped to see the space and when
the vehicle infornt of me moved I moved forward. If you can
guide me to add anything to the details that will be much
appreciated. I'm quite nervous lol but any suggesstion how its
done or to use correct wording will be much appreciated.
Lastly if we made representation/appeal to council and if they
reject it then it will go to tribunal and if tribunal reject
what happens will I be liable for any fees or will I loose the
14 days 50% discount period?
#Post#: 35693--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: Sam6688
Date: September 4, 2024, 9:06 pm
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I found this on tfl site
HTML https://1drv.ms/i/c/4fdadd7ae67b3626/ET2ITJc2xHdOiShnmgGWpCUBBlYK813lrTYL93TcFQPOWg
which states we can enter to yellow box junction if exit is
clear which I have done but I noticed suddenly the car
approaching and signals to turn right the i stopped to give the
way but then I moved forward to stop causing traffic. Looks like
I have chance to appeal with the help of experts and get it
cancelled.
Thanks in advance
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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 5, 2024, 6:32 am
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For completeness - does the video end where your recorder does.
You haven't posted all the front of the PCN - you only need to
obscure your name and address.
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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: Sam6688
Date: September 5, 2024, 8:56 am
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Hi yes the video does complete on council site same time as my
recorder.
Apologise for not uploading full pic.
Here is the link now
HTML https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/t7we73S8We7z
#Post#: 36047--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: MrChips
Date: September 7, 2024, 5:59 pm
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Hi - sorry for delay in responding.
I'm happy to help draft representations for you to send - could
you post a copy of your PCN in full (just redact your name and
address). In particular, what is the date of the PCN? That
will inform the deadlines we are working to.
Plan to include:
- room to exit the box
- vague location
Due to the vague location I'm not 100% sure which junction on
Ilford Lane is involved but seems to be the one with Bedford
Road (as I think I can see K1 Tyres in the background - but the
box markings must be new as they don't feature in googlemaps
yet). Based on measuring approx distance using road markings
you had about 5 metres of clearance to the car in front. That's
enough to accommodate most cars. What is your make/model and do
you know it's official length?
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