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#Post#: 35314--------------------------------------------------
Edinburgh city council parking ticket - 23 Parked in a parking
place not designated for that class of vehicle
DIR By: ezycraf
Date: September 2, 2024, 5:29 am
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Hello fellow members;
I am in a bit of a trouble and would need some help. So, I was
visiting Edinburgh, Scotland from England over the weekend on
25th August and I parked in the city centre where the parking
restrictions applied until 6:30pm but I parked there at 16:30
thinking that the restrictions have lapsed! You can call it a
silly mistake but it happened as I was with family (and kids) so
mush have been tired after long drive that I probably misread
the signs and assumed that the restrictions were until 16:30 but
in fact it was 6:30pm. Perhaps, should have paid a bit more
attention. When I returned after about an hour, I found myself
with a penalty charge notice. Do I have any grounds to appeal
and if yes, could you please guide me to the right direction,
your help will be really appreciated. Also, how easy is it to
get it overturned without making it into a court case. The
ticket was issued by NSL limited (company address is in
Sheffield).
The parking ticket says "23 Parked in a parking place not
designated for that class of vehicle". I want to appeal as soon
as possible but do not know where to start as money saving
experts (MSE) parking forum only helps with private parking
fines.
Thank you!
#Post#: 35318--------------------------------------------------
Re: Edinburgh city council parking ticket - 23 Parked in a
parking place not designated for that class of vehicle
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 2, 2024, 5:45 am
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For meaningful advice please have a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post up here both sides of the unredacted PCN, a GSV link to
the location and any Council photos.
#Post#: 35319--------------------------------------------------
Re: Edinburgh city council parking ticket - 23 Parked in a
parking place not designated for that class of vehicle
DIR By: ezycraf
Date: September 2, 2024, 6:08 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> For meaningful advice please have a read of
>
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
>
> and post up here both sides of the unredacted PCN, a GSV link
to the location and any Council photos.
>
--- End Quote ---
thanks for your reply.
The link to the google street view is:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/5TtAkK5TUhZWazXdA
Now upon looking at the GSV, I may have parked in the SOLO M/CS
bay but I am pretty sure that I didn't see these wording on the
road on the day.
Please see the ticket:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/M7E5jZh
thanks and waiting to hear from seniors and experts.
#Post#: 35323--------------------------------------------------
Re: Edinburgh city council parking ticket - 23 Parked in a
parking place not designated for that class of vehicle
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 2, 2024, 7:39 am
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There is no sign for the motorcycle bay, only worn-out text on
the carriageway. So if I park a motorcycle, do I have to pay or
not ? All the carriageway text says is "Solo M/Cs". There is no
word "only". It is marked on the carriageway as a separate bay,
(see the double-dashed lines perpendicular to the kerb), so must
have its own sign; they cannot escape from this requirement.
So submit reps on the basis that there are no signs to draw
attention to the M/C bay, only worn-out text on the carriageway.
The lack of a sign giving the conditions for this bay means the
PCN cannot be enforced. Don't expect them to roll-over and
cancel. Post-up your reps and their response when you get it. If
you decide to take the matter to the Scottish adjudicators,
you'll have to forego the discount option.
Also note that Scotland are still under the 1991 Act, not the
later, Traffic Management Act of 2004.
#Post#: 35334--------------------------------------------------
Re: Edinburgh city council parking ticket - 23 Parked in a
parking place not designated for that class of vehicle
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 2, 2024, 9:26 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> There is no sign for the motorcycle bay, only worn-out text on
the carriageway. So if I park a motorcycle, do I have to pay or
not ? All the carriageway text says is "Solo M/Cs". There is no
word "only". It is marked on the carriageway as a separate bay,
(see the double-dashed lines perpendicular to the kerb), so must
have its own sign; they cannot escape from this requirement.
>
> So submit reps on the basis that there are no signs to draw
attention to the M/C bay, only worn-out text on the carriageway.
The lack of a sign giving the conditions for this bay means the
PCN cannot be enforced. Don't expect them to roll-over and
cancel. Post-up your reps and their response when you get it. If
you decide to take the matter to the Scottish adjudicators,
you'll have to forego the discount option.
>
> Also note that Scotland are still under the 1991 Act, not the
later, Traffic Management Act of 2004.
>
--- End Quote ---
[member=12]Incandescent[/member]
re no signs
Google June 2023 shows signs at each end of the bay
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/cYEtdDWfqDMQqoZq6
and
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/5eEghK3xEp9u3sMK8
[member=2622]ezycraf[/member] - are the signs still there? Hold
fire for the moment with Incandescent's suggestion. Were there
any Council photos?
#Post#: 35344--------------------------------------------------
Re: Edinburgh city council parking ticket - 23 Parked in a
parking place not designated for that class of vehicle
DIR By: ezycraf
Date: September 2, 2024, 11:02 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=2988.msg35323#msg35323
date=1725280740]
> There is no sign for the motorcycle bay, only worn-out text on
the carriageway. So if I park a motorcycle, do I have to pay or
not ? All the carriageway text says is "Solo M/Cs". There is no
word "only". It is marked on the carriageway as a separate bay,
(see the double-dashed lines perpendicular to the kerb), so must
have its own sign; they cannot escape from this requirement.
>
> So submit reps on the basis that there are no signs to draw
attention to the M/C bay, only worn-out text on the carriageway.
The lack of a sign giving the conditions for this bay means the
PCN cannot be enforced. Don't expect them to roll-over and
cancel. Post-up your reps and their response when you get it. If
you decide to take the matter to the Scottish adjudicators,
you'll have to forego the discount option.
>
> Also note that Scotland are still under the 1991 Act, not the
later, Traffic Management Act of 2004.
>
--- End Quote ---
[member=12]Incandescent[/member]
re no signs
Google June 2023 shows signs at each end of the bay
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/cYEtdDWfqDMQqoZq6
and
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/5eEghK3xEp9u3sMK8
[member=2622]ezycraf[/member] - are the signs still there? Hold
fire for the moment with Incandescent's suggestion. Were there
any Council photos?
[/quote]
yes the signs on the lamp posts were there, however, I am 99%
certain that the signs on the road saying solo M/CS were not
there unless I missed it as it was raining and they have faded
away since 2023 as the google street view shows.
#Post#: 35345--------------------------------------------------
Re: Edinburgh city council parking ticket - 23 Parked in a
parking place not designated for that class of vehicle
DIR By: ezycraf
Date: September 2, 2024, 11:05 am
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Lets say even if I was parked in the Solo M/CS bay, I still
didn't have any ticket displayed otherwise, I could have argued
that I had a valid ticket but was not sure that it was for M/CS
etc. However, the markings on the road still remain questionable
and I cannot go back and check.
#Post#: 35347--------------------------------------------------
Re: Edinburgh city council parking ticket - 23 Parked in a
parking place not designated for that class of vehicle
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: September 2, 2024, 11:12 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=2988.msg35323#msg35323
date=1725280740]
> There is no sign for the motorcycle bay, only worn-out text on
the carriageway. So if I park a motorcycle, do I have to pay or
not ? All the carriageway text says is "Solo M/Cs". There is no
word "only". It is marked on the carriageway as a separate bay,
(see the double-dashed lines perpendicular to the kerb), so must
have its own sign; they cannot escape from this requirement.
>
> So submit reps on the basis that there are no signs to draw
attention to the M/C bay, only worn-out text on the carriageway.
The lack of a sign giving the conditions for this bay means the
PCN cannot be enforced. Don't expect them to roll-over and
cancel. Post-up your reps and their response when you get it. If
you decide to take the matter to the Scottish adjudicators,
you'll have to forego the discount option.
>
> Also note that Scotland are still under the 1991 Act, not the
later, Traffic Management Act of 2004.
>
--- End Quote ---
[member=12]Incandescent[/member]
re no signs
Google June 2023 shows signs at each end of the bay
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/cYEtdDWfqDMQqoZq6
and
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/5eEghK3xEp9u3sMK8
[member=2622]ezycraf[/member] - are the signs still there? Hold
fire for the moment with Incandescent's suggestion. Were there
any Council photos?
[/quote]
Indeed there are two signs, but they are adjacent to the other
parking bays on each side of the M/C bay, so the M/C bay has no
sign. Note the M/C bay is separately delineated with
double-dashed lines perpendicular to the carriageway.
#Post#: 35348--------------------------------------------------
Re: Edinburgh city council parking ticket - 23 Parked in a
parking place not designated for that class of vehicle
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: September 2, 2024, 11:20 am
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I think we've seen unsigned m/c bays in Edinburgh before. Here
it looks like several drivers couldn't see a separate bay and
markings and the lack of a sign must surely be a factor even in
Scotland.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/rfn1xbx/Screenshot-2024-09-02-at-17-05-22.png
HTML https://i.ibb.co/82qFSFt/Screenshot-2024-09-02-at-17-04-14.png
HTML https://i.ibb.co/Q7Bk3MQ/Screenshot-2024-09-02-at-17-04-42.png
HTML https://i.ibb.co/HtPd4rN/Screenshot-2024-09-02-at-17-04-51.png
HTML https://i.ibb.co/YXmb6p2/Screenshot-2024-09-02-at-17-05-02.png
HTML https://i.ibb.co/F42QnGw/Screenshot-2024-09-02-at-17-05-11.png
#Post#: 35350--------------------------------------------------
Re: Edinburgh city council parking ticket - 23 Parked in a
parking place not designated for that class of vehicle
DIR By: ezycraf
Date: September 2, 2024, 11:37 am
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Well the sign was there looking at the pics now. I didn't know
how to check those but thanks for uploading them. do I stand any
chance for an appeal? I have heard that if you lose the appeal
then the discounted rate of £50 is also gone??
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