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#Post#: 2322--------------------------------------------------
Watford Council - Parking on grass verge - Longspring/North
Watford
DIR By: AceOfSpades
Date: August 1, 2023, 9:06 am
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Hello,
I have received a PCN for parking on concrete spots which I've
assumed for years, are used for local resident parking. I've
been issued a parking ticket claiming I was parked on the grass
verge. There is a small spot along where the parking spot is,
that can visibly seen as grass verge with small signage above
it, stating no parking on grass verge. But it isn't specific
about what is classed as grass verge here. The portion I was
parked on, the road has identical spots across multiple
different spots along the road which have no restriction
signage. These spots are routinely used by residents for
parking.
I had responded with an informal appeal regarding the PCN which
was refused and I'm still requested to pay up the discounted
fee. I've uploaded some photos of the area I was parked on and
the "grass verge" spot with signage above it. I've also uploaded
the correspondence to my informal dispute. I'm looking to
dispute the ticket informally as I can't see how where I was
parked, is considered a grass verge, but rather a crisscrossed
parking bay as they're in multiple spots across my road with no
signage above them. As these spots are located all along the
road with no signage on any of them stating that they're grass
verges. Also, these spots of been used for years as parking by
residents on a consistent, daily basis.
Photo link to response from Watford council to my informal
appeal:
HTML https://flic.kr/p/2oSW1Mn
Some photo links to where the vehicle was parked and the
signage/grass verge area below signage:
HTML https://flic.kr/p/2oSW42H
HTML https://flic.kr/p/2oSXaGW
HTML https://flic.kr/p/2oSSbdn
HTML https://flic.kr/p/2oSV5qi
Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
#Post#: 2332--------------------------------------------------
Re: Watford Council - Parking on grass verge - Longspring/North
Watford
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: August 1, 2023, 11:09 am
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we need to see the PCN and council photos
#Post#: 2410--------------------------------------------------
Re: Watford Council - Parking on grass verge - Longspring/North
Watford
DIR By: AceOfSpades
Date: August 2, 2023, 10:24 am
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--- Quote from: Pastmybest link ---
>
> we need to see the PCN and council photos
>
--- End Quote ---
I've misplaced the original PCN slip though the reason given is
also on the info screen on the payment website. Which says: "01
Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours"
I'll attach the photos just below that are also used as evidence
by the council.
#Post#: 2469--------------------------------------------------
Re: Watford Council - Parking on grass verge - Longspring/North
Watford
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 2, 2023, 4:43 pm
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None of your links worked, so I've posted the CEO photos for you
below:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/MbexDaa.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/zTpLeXE.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Wls4iCa.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Y9kvaxt.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/OJOrUJl.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/hwr7kvW.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/y0pq0qi.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/xOza4pZ.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/6Ab354L.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/plSGoDh.jpg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/893l69M.jpg
Virtually everything the council says about parking on a verge
is irrelevant, the PCN is for parking on a waiting restriction
that is in force at all times, and that is indicated by the
double yellow lines. For some reason some people think you can
get round the yellow lines by parking on the pavement, this is
not the case or else we could all park everywhere that double
yellow liens can be found by simply parking on the pavement.
Is there any chance you could find the PCN?
Also it's presumably somewhere along here
HTML https://goo.gl/maps/siXkaWvMKTsgMYWs6
but please can you post a
link to the exact spot?
In the meantime I'll try and get hold of the traffic order.
#Post#: 2497--------------------------------------------------
Re: Watford Council - Parking on grass verge - Longspring/North
Watford
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: August 3, 2023, 1:59 am
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Here, I think
HTML https://goo.gl/maps/EhZwQ2VQyGaqmCZPA
(Lamppost is the same)
Nothing much has changed in fifteen years, apart from DYLs on
OPs side.
#Post#: 2509--------------------------------------------------
Re: Watford Council - Parking on grass verge - Longspring/North
Watford
DIR By: guest179
Date: August 3, 2023, 6:15 am
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OP, you're leading us astray:
The PCN does not refer to 'grass verge';
Their rejection does, but only because you raised the issue, it
then states and re-states that the issue and contravention
relate to the DYL.
Pl get away from grass verges, you cannot park where you did
because of the DYL.
I cannot see any substantive defence here and the discount
expires on 10 August.
Yes, it's possible that the traffic order might be flawed and
yes, they might reissue the discount after rejecting formal
reps, which themselves might yield substantive procedural
grounds.
Perhaps. But what you do know is that the discount expires on 10
Aug.
If you're the registered keeper with current DVLA details then
you have to decide whether to carry on.
#Post#: 2511--------------------------------------------------
Re: Watford Council - Parking on grass verge - Longspring/North
Watford
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: August 3, 2023, 6:36 am
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The only defence I see is Legitimate Expectation.
Google maps seems to show habitual parking in this location
dating back to 2016 (a little after DYLs were placed)
Assuming that this is the case and that it is mainly residents
and that council have habitually ignored and not put out any
warnings
#Post#: 5140--------------------------------------------------
Re: Watford Council - Parking on grass verge - Longspring/North
Watford
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 14, 2023, 9:15 am
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PCN has been paid but for future reference here are:
The Borough of Watford (Longspring⁄Beechwood Rise)
(Prohibition And Restriction of Waiting) Order 1973
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1HneeLe0BVQlNdEVLpcA0h5DrZIZfjrq3
The Borough of Watford (Various Streets Watford) (Restriction
and Prohibition of Waiting) Order 2008
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1jw1G9zTzvX1YDsN13trGZoyYMSTfedYG
The Borough of Watford (Longspring Watford) (Prohibition of
Waiting) Order 2015
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=10XlCrYclBBdyI6-mwTB5QbFpfR-Mid61
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