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#Post#: 35031--------------------------------------------------
TFL(YBJ) - CODE 31, Wandsworth Rd/Bridgefoot/Albert Embankment
DIR By: AoP
Date: August 30, 2024, 5:46 am
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Hello all - Great resource you have created here!
Received the following PCN from TFL whilst turning right at the
Yellow Box Junction:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Pqi6AXKPUFlsZQq8Pi-pHaWQshNCRK6/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H_43Aco_jS3BsqeLXIa-1-M2BCtpI064/view?usp=sharing
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/13D7znbTMwGjL3kdufadfXpSnJIRIuA5s/view?usp=sharing,<br
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HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LMz3irnWCVL-yO6fYsZjBeIFgRK2O5AX/view?usp=sharing,<br
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HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jvbTLwvtfvS75VQEWyzCd83mHnJIxZEC/view?usp=sharing,<br
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HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lPUndTjLvpmWoKdjxNI_LPpuAdWiEqs_/view?usp=sharing
My dash cam:
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nRx3oY3Z3nxXgcFkKw0Xl7kzTx2C9VI8/view?usp=sharing
I have requested the TFL video on the 19th August which has yet
to arrive.
I entered the YBJ knowing my exit was unobstructed. During my
transit I was aware that a car on my left hand-side was changing
lanes mid-corner and was moving across lanes into my path.
Believing the encroaching car would continue forwards and not
wishing to sustain any damage to my car I stopped short of
completing the turn even though my 'exit' remained unobstructed
by any stationary vehicles.
I was going to enter my Reps purely on the above statement of
fact; although I note the alleged contravention is timed at
10:45hrs, the image is time-stamped whilst I was deemed to
within the YBJ. I have yet to receive the video showing the
time I entered the YBJ.
Regards to all,
#Post#: 35060--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL(YBJ) - CODE 31, Wandsworth Rd/Bridgefoot/Albert
Embankment
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: August 30, 2024, 8:26 am
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Lets wait for the TFL video from your dash cam you had plenty of
room to exit so no contravention
#Post#: 35095--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL(YBJ) - CODE 31, Wandsworth Rd/Bridgefoot/Albert
Embankment
DIR By: AoP
Date: August 30, 2024, 2:02 pm
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Appreciated, thank you.
Apologises to all for posting links: It's taken me two days to
fathom how to achieve that with help.
#Post#: 35099--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL(YBJ) - CODE 31, Wandsworth Rd/Bridgefoot/Albert
Embankment
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: August 30, 2024, 3:21 pm
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No worries. I see 007's Aston Martin did not cut you up though!
Considering the location. ;D
If this goes to the Tribunal, our administrator has an historic
relationship with this authority. He may offer to represent you.
Considering how much revenue TFL achieve, one would have thought
that they could get their act together in terms of video
presentation and access online to make an appeal to the
Tribunal.
#Post#: 35106--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL(YBJ) - CODE 31, Wandsworth Rd/Bridgefoot/Albert
Embankment
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 30, 2024, 4:20 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> No worries. I see 007's Aston Martin did not cut you up
though! Considering the location. ;D
>
> If this goes to the Tribunal, our administrator has an
historic relationship with this authority. He may offer to
represent you.
>
> Considering how much revenue TFL achieve, one would have
thought that they could get their act together in terms of video
presentation and access online to make an appeal to the
Tribunal.
>
--- End Quote ---
+++++1 !!!
TfL are in the Dark Ages when it comes to being responsive to
PCN recipients. Every council throughout England enforcing YBJs
and also bus lanes has their videos on-line so why not TfL. Can
it be to discourage appeals ? Surely not !
#Post#: 35116--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL(YBJ) - CODE 31, Wandsworth Rd/Bridgefoot/Albert
Embankment
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 31, 2024, 3:36 am
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I have requested the TFL video on the 19th August which has yet
to arrive.
Did you receive confirmation of your request?
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Re: TFL(YBJ) - CODE 31, Wandsworth Rd/Bridgefoot/Albert
Embankment
DIR By: AoP
Date: August 31, 2024, 12:35 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
>
> I have requested the TFL video on the 19th August which has
yet to arrive.
>
> Did you receive confirmation of your request?
>
--- End Quote ---
The request was made by phone. I do have a screen-shot of the
TFL status page which records on the 19th August - "On Hold:
SUS20 Enquiry Received"
--- Quote from: Hippocrates ---
>
> I see 007's Aston Martin did not cut you up though!
Considering the location. ;D
>
--- End Quote ---
Oddly enough I did allow a Porsche room to exit the American
Embassy at pace only moments before being driven by a worried
looking driver - Late lunch with the PM; or realisation that
they had unwillingly stopped in the YBJ whilst awaiting a break
in traffic?
#Post#: 35467--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL(YBJ) - CODE 31, Wandsworth Rd/Bridgefoot/Albert
Embankment
DIR By: AoP
Date: September 3, 2024, 8:43 am
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Video has yet to arrive so I thought I'd pre-prepare a draft.
Thinking of keeping it simple but open to suggestions of course.
--- Quote ---
> Dear Transport for London,
>
> In absence of the video recording requested from TFL on the
19th August, whilst also being mindful of the time period
imposed for representation; my submission is therefore
constrained solely on the still images TFL captured from their
video recording in conjunction with my own vehicles on-board
footage.
>
> The TFL documentation I received guides me to consult:
>
HTML https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/rules-of-red-routes/yellow-box-junctions
>
> * How to use a yellow box junction
> You can stop in a yellow box junction when turning right if
you are prevented from turning by oncoming traffic, or by other
vehicles waiting to turn right.
>
>
> I challenge liability for PCN GX17671732 on the basis that the
alleged contravention did not occur.
> This is because whilst my vehicle did stop within the yellow
box markings that the stop was not due to the presence of
stationary vehicles (?impeding my exit?).
> The still images that TFL have published clearly show that
there is ample space ahead of my vehicle outside of the box.
>
> It follows that the PCN must be cancelled.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 36739--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL(YBJ) - CODE 31, Wandsworth Rd/Bridgefoot/Albert
Embankment
DIR By: AoP
Date: September 13, 2024, 5:20 am
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Didn't feel like the correct thing to be doing sending any reps
until I'd viewed the video so I made another request on Sep 5th.
The TFL status history was once again revised on Sep 11th
without any intervention on my part.
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZwrAjnu-9txDOBmrTXIZs0hNKknVoaUN/view?usp=sharing
I did begin to wonder if the original 'SUS20 - Enquiry Received'
request didn't generate the video processing? The code now shows
as; 'SUS54 DTES Footage Request'.
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>
> Quote from: H C Andersen on August 31, 2024, 09:36:18 am
> Did you receive confirmation of your request?
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
>
> The request was made by phone. I do have a screen-shot of the
TFL status page which records on the 19th August - "On Hold:
SUS20 Enquiry Received"
>
--- End Quote ---
Sorry, I was incorrect: I was given a reference number on both
occasions (It was lost in the muddle I call a note-book!).
#Post#: 37196--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL(YBJ) - CODE 31, Wandsworth Rd/Bridgefoot/Albert
Embankment
DIR By: AoP
Date: September 17, 2024, 8:25 am
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TFL video has arrived.
HTML https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TJQftsrzid3mUEoPeu6RS46qMybvzYya/view?usp=sharing
Is it good practice to maintain a simple approach at this stage
by only affirming my abeyance to the correct use of the YBJ
whilst turning right (Exit was clear upon entry; Stop observed
within YBJ was not due to stationary vehicles), or should I
expand on the 'stop' by explanation of the encroaching
lane-hopper?
Would including a link to my Dash-cam footage be of any
relevance at this stage?
Is there any merit in mentioning the PCN time-stamp as being
10:45; whereas my entry into the YBJ is approximate to 10:44:47
- Are 'seconds' pertinent and worth consideration?
Thank you in advance of your thoughts.
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