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#Post#: 35036--------------------------------------------------
Re: Close Pass
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: August 30, 2024, 6:28 am
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Just tell us this: how far away was the near side of your car
from the cyclist when you passed?
Forget the middle line, forget the width of your car, forget the
width of the carriageway (unless it was unusually narrow). None
of that matters. All that matters is how much room you gave the
cyclist. Give it in whatever units you like. The HC suggests a
minimum of 1.5 metres at speeds up to 30mph. That is near enough
five feet. So was it more or less than that?
#Post#: 35082--------------------------------------------------
Re: Close Pass
DIR By: mickR
Date: August 30, 2024, 11:12 am
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do as we already know the HC is "guidance" is there really a
case for plod to consider it a dangerous pass if the driver gave
less than 1.5m ? I'm not suggesting significantly less. If yes
then why does the HC not state "must" as in a legal definition
#Post#: 35085--------------------------------------------------
Re: Close Pass
DIR By: 666
Date: August 30, 2024, 11:32 am
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--- Quote from: mickR link ---
>
> do as we already know the HC is "guidance" is there really a
case for plod to consider it a dangerous pass if the driver gave
less than 1.5m ? I'm not suggesting significantly less. If yes
then why does the HC not state "must" as in a legal definition
>
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The HC says that because it must reflect the law as it is.
Parliament make the law, not the DVSA.
However, the test for careless driving is whether it "falls
below what would be expected of a competent and careful
driver.", and it must be reasonable for a court to conclude that
such a "competent and careful driver" would be obeying the rules
in the HC.
#Post#: 35092--------------------------------------------------
Re: Close Pass
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: August 30, 2024, 1:35 pm
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Road Traffic Act 1988, s 38(7):
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> A failure on the part of a person to observe a provision of
the Highway Code shall not of itself render that person liable
to criminal proceedings of any kind but any such failure may in
any proceedings (whether civil or criminal, and including
proceedings for an offence under the Traffic Acts, the Public
Passenger Vehicles Act 1981 or sections 18 to 23 of the
Transport Act 1985) be relied upon by any party to the
proceedings as tending to establish or negative any liability
which is in question in those proceedings.
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#Post#: 35117--------------------------------------------------
Re: Close Pass
DIR By: POLICE999
Date: August 31, 2024, 4:07 am
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I was least 1.5 m away from rider but snap shot looks closer as
lens are wide angle.
i have pleaded not guilty by post and have asked for footage
from the police do they have to release footage for my defense
as i have had no reply only new court date in feb.
sorry if i cant write great posts as im dyslexic and have had a
stroke. its my wife who was driving on that day.
thank you
#Post#: 35118--------------------------------------------------
Re: Close Pass
DIR By: FuzzyDuck
Date: August 31, 2024, 4:13 am
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--- Quote from: POLICE999 link ---
>
> I was least 1.5 m away from rider but snap shot looks closer
as lens are wide angle.
> i have pleaded not guilty by post and have asked for footage
from the police do they have to release footage for my defense
as i have had no reply only new court date in feb.
> sorry if i cant write great posts as im dyslexic and have had
a stroke. its my wife who was driving on that day.
> thank you
>
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Big red flag here, so do you mean your wife has pleaded not
guilty?
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Re: Close Pass
DIR By: 666
Date: August 31, 2024, 5:12 am
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--- Quote from: POLICE999 link ---
>
> I was least 1.5 m away from rider but snap shot looks closer
as lens are wide angle.
> i have pleaded not guilty by post and have asked for footage
from the police do they have to release footage for my defense
as i have had no reply only new court date in feb.
> sorry if i cant write great posts as im dyslexic and have had
a stroke. its my wife who was driving on that day.
> thank you
>
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Regardless of the lens, it should be possible to judge the
distance by reference to the width of your car and/or the lane.
Don't forget that the required clearance must take account of
your door mirrors.
Why have you pleaded guilty if your wife was driving? Or was it
she who has been charged and pleaded? If it was, it would be
helpful (especially given the difficulties you describe) if she
were to post on her own behalf.
#Post#: 35125--------------------------------------------------
Re: Close Pass
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: August 31, 2024, 5:50 am
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In the opening post you said you had images. Why not share them?
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Re: Close Pass
DIR By: slapdash
Date: August 31, 2024, 9:19 am
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If your wife was driving it has nothing to do with you.
I presume you have named her as driver in accordance with the
instructions on the notice and she has received her own (or she
received it in her own name). She would then indicate her intent
to plead not guilty.
It might be useful for you to clarify what has been done
otherwise a larger problem will exist.
Putting the photo on an image hosting site and the address for a
Google maps link would enable a much better judgement of the
distance.
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Re: Close Pass
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: September 1, 2024, 3:24 am
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Hopefully you understand the cost of pleading not guilty?
You will lose the 1/3 discount off the fine for a guilty plea
(that also then impacts the 40% surcharge), prosecution costs
will also rise from circa £100 yo circa £650.
Let’s see the evidence you have, let’s have the location and we
can give you a reasonable opinion on whether you/your wife/maybe
even the dog is doing the sensible thing or not.
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