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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: September 12, 2024, 3:06 pm
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Don't the pages you've posted just contain generic explanatory
information?
What's he been charged with? Speeding, or failing to identify
the driver, or both?
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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: September 12, 2024, 3:10 pm
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--- Quote from: f111 link ---
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> [quote author=The Rookie link=topic=2943.msg36653#msg36653
date=1726166729]
> He’ll have to wait for the actual SJPN to see what is charged,
or does he have that and you’ve not shared it?
>
--- End Quote ---
Looks like what he was sent is the the SJPN
[/quote]
Maybe so, but you’ve not included it, only supporting materials
which are of little use at all for giving advice.
For example we don’t know what he’s actually charged with.
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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: September 12, 2024, 3:37 pm
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> What's he been charged with? Speeding, or failing to identify
the driver, or both?
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Sorry, I missed the "and/or". My suggestion only holds good if
he has been charged with both offences. "Senior moment" 8)
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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: September 13, 2024, 2:16 am
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--- Quote from: NewJudge link ---
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> [quote]What's he been charged with? Speeding, or failing to
identify the driver, or both?
>
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Sorry, I missed the "and/or". My suggestion only holds good if
he has been charged with both offences. "Senior moment" 8)
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But that is in the generic advice, the text explains this is an
IF you are charged then... so we still don't know the charges!
#Post#: 36720--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: September 13, 2024, 4:05 am
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Yes, agreed. ;)
#Post#: 36751--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: tonys
Date: September 13, 2024, 9:06 am
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We're the (corrected) driver details sent within the 7 days that
the case was "suspended"?
#Post#: 36801--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: Logician
Date: September 13, 2024, 6:17 pm
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What offences are now mentioned, speeding AND failing to
nominate the driver, OR one of those on its own?
#Post#: 36807--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: September 14, 2024, 3:06 am
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The OP appears to have a history of leaving out significant
details and then drip-feeding. And those that ought to know
better seem to be creating noise by repeating the same questions
regarding the missing crucial details.
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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: f111
Date: September 15, 2024, 3:42 pm
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--- Quote from: andy_foster link ---
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> The OP appears to have a history of leaving out significant
details and then drip-feeding. And those that ought to know
better seem to be creating noise by repeating the same questions
regarding the missing crucial details.
>
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Apologies all. I was previously getting an email for every
reply, but for some reason this stopped with all the last batch
so didn't get all the last replies until i logged in by chance
this evening.
Id assumed what i posted previously was the whole of the
paperwork from them, and had understood that as the offence
(it's all I'd received from him). I've just asked for it all now
and have attached everything that appears to mention the offence
- the rest looks generic. I understood the previous paperwork as
he could choose to plead guilty to the speeding, and not guilty
to the other charge. Having just seen the rest of the paperwork,
i'm not so sure anymore.
If there's any thing else you need, please ask.
HTML https://imgur.com/a/fwN1dQC
Thanks in advance
Ps - there was no intention to dripfeed info, I'd sent what i
had in good faith, not seen all this before.
#Post#: 36960--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: September 15, 2024, 5:10 pm
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When someone "helpfully" seeks advice for a friend, it
invariably ends up as some form of Chinese Whispers.
Unfortunately, the Admins won't let me string those involved up
from the nearest lamp post.
If he's only been charged with the s. 172 offence, there's no
option of doing a deal to plead guilty to an offence he hasn't
been charged with (although it was apparently common practice
for the instant when Harriet Harman was allowed to do it - but
never before or since).
I note that a partial statement setting out a version of events
has been included in the images of the PR, which will be before
the court. The version of events in that statement appears to
contradict the OP's statement that the RK was invited to provide
"correct" driver details.
However. I would be wary of advising the OP's friend to
challenge the statement, or give evidence at all (or attend
court), as currently there is merely a very strong suggestion
that he was perverting the course of justice, but unless he
chooses to give evidence there is no opportunity for the court
to put the question to him under oath.
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