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#Post#: 34828--------------------------------------------------
Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: f111
Date: August 28, 2024, 8:29 am
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Hi All,
I’m seeking some advice on behalf of someone else please. (no
really lol) I've tried searching google/ the forum but could
only find references to the old pepipoo, which would no longer
open.
He received a speeding letter/ NIP and submitted driver details.
46mph in a 40.
They’ve written back to him, rejected the nominated driver and
effectively said the following (paraphrased for brevity) –
1.The person who you said was driving is not on the car’s
insurance policy.
2.They’re not registered at the address you gave with a valid uk
driving license.
3.Nominated person is not on the voters roll there.
4.It’s an offence to provide misleading/ inaccurate driver
details
5.You must provide driver details by law.
They’ve “suspended the file for 7 days to provide correct driver
details, and supporting evidence for the original submission”.
First thing I suggested was to write back and say “it was me
driving, and here are my details”. However, here is the question
– if he does this are they likely to pursue/ prosecute him for
the incorrect original submission?
Last thing I want to do is offer some advice in good faith
trying to be helpful and he ends up in a worse position and I’m
the one responsible. If its relevant he’s an uber driver too.
Has anyone been in this situation, or know of similar? And/ or
know what happened in the other cases?
Thanks in advance.
#Post#: 34833--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: August 28, 2024, 8:45 am
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If the Police assertion is true your friend could well be
looking at a 12 month stretch. Hundreds of people have been
sent to jail for trying such a 'wizard wheeze', it's really not
a good idea.
HOWEVER, the Police have increasingly given people the
opportunity to reconsider, and no they don't then take further
action, but continue with naming the same person and it makes
them more likely to continue with a more serious charge. Of
course it may be a genuine nomination but the tone of your post
suggests not.
#Post#: 34837--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: f111
Date: August 28, 2024, 9:15 am
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Thank you for the reply. Foolish people taking foolish advice
unfortunately, I think someone else helped fill in the letter
for him and now gone awol.
Wish he'd told me about it then, as i'd have said the same thing
then too. Maybe i'm too risk averse, but it saves nonsense like
this.
As before, would be great to hear from someone who's been
through it. Mainly because the stakes are just so high like you
mentioned.
I'm tempted to just say 'here's what i think you should do, but
understand it does come with its own risk'
Any other advice you would give?
Thanks
#Post#: 34838--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: August 28, 2024, 9:27 am
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--- Quote from: f111 link ---
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> Maybe i'm too risk averse, but it saves nonsense like this.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think being against lying to the police can be filed under
"sensible" rather than "too risk averse" on your part. It's not
worth risking a prison sentence to dodge a minor speeding
charge.
--- Quote from: f111 link ---
>
> Any other advice you would give?
--- End Quote ---
Those with more legal expertise may be able to offer insight
into any procedural matters, but any advice as to what he should
do is likely to essentially be: "Don't lie". If he has already
lied about who was driving, he cannot undo that, but he can
start telling the truth now, and hope that he hasn't made things
too bad for himself. If they're providing the opportunity to
name the correct driver, doing so would seem sensible.
#Post#: 34839--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: 666
Date: August 28, 2024, 9:30 am
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Your friend seems to have been thrown a lifeline. He would be
foolish in the extreme not to grab it.
He must respond naming himself as the driver. As regards
evidence for the original nomination, I'm guessing he has none.
Rather than digging an even deeper hole, I'd suggest he simply
ignore the question. As The Rookie has suggested, the police may
well take it no further - and the jails are full anyway.
FWIW if you had been able to access pepipoo, you would have
found a thread (running to probably 12+ pages) of examples of
people turning very minor speeding offences into prison time.
#Post#: 34840--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: August 28, 2024, 10:12 am
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--- Quote ---
> FWIW if you had been able to access pepipoo, you would have
found a thread (running to probably 12+ pages) of examples of
people turning very minor speeding offences into prison time.
--- End Quote ---
Here's a couple:
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/11/chris-huhne-vicky-pryce
HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47040912
Your friend really has no choice but to name himself (assuming
he was driving) and hope the police have better things to do. If
he does nothing they will certainly prosecute him for failing to
provide the driver's details and may go for attempting to
pervert the course of justice. I think he has been very lucky
that they have not gone straight for the latter.
Strange that we've seen two posts originating today where
"Wizard Wheezes" (aka utter stupidity) have been employed.
#Post#: 34848--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: f111
Date: August 28, 2024, 11:00 am
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Thanks all for the input. I will suggest as advised.
Do you think I should tell him to write a cover letter ("hi
there must've been a mistake, here are the correct details
now"), or just fill in the driver details?
#Post#: 34849--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: f111
Date: August 28, 2024, 11:05 am
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--- Quote from: NewJudge link ---
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> [quote]
> Strange that we've seen two posts originating today where
"Wizard Wheezes" (aka utter stupidity) have been employed.
>
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I'd never even heard of 'wizard wheezes' before today (I was
getting Harry potter references when i googled it after Rookie's
post earlier!). I just saw the other post from today you
mentioned - I'd be having sleepless nights if that were me!!
#Post#: 34850--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: 666
Date: August 28, 2024, 11:25 am
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--- Quote from: f111 link ---
>
> Thanks all for the input. I will suggest as advised.
>
> Do you think I should tell him to write a cover letter ("hi
there must've been a mistake, here are the correct details
now"), or just fill in the driver details?
>
>
>
>
--- End Quote ---
I'd suggest the latter. The least said the better.
#Post#: 34851--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: August 28, 2024, 11:28 am
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--- Quote ---
> I'd suggest the latter. The least said the better.
--- End Quote ---
I agree. To expect the police to believe it was a "mistake" is
expecting too much!
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