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#Post#: 34703--------------------------------------------------
Speed ticket paid . Refunded and now court
DIR By: Gabemexx
Date: August 27, 2024, 8:09 am
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Hello im a bit puzzled about what happened to me.
March 2024 speed tickets penalty arrived at my house and paid
the fixed penalty of £100 (I did send via recorded delivery all
the info they wanted )
Last week I received a single justice notice saying to plead
guilty or not guilty for the same penalty (I did pay the fine ,
a bit obvious I was)
Couple of days later I received an email saying the £100 are in
the process of being refunded. I guess they want to charge me
more? Read the letter that they sent me, they only saying the
it can go to court but they're not explaining why.
Tried to phone the court (last Friday ) but after a couple of
hours waiting on the line I gave up .
I did supply the information. They sent me back a copy of the
module I've sent and checked the driving licence and every step
was correct and paid within 28 days
Am waiting for another letter from them and then I guess ill
have to phone citizen advice?
#Post#: 34706--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speed ticket paid . Refunded and now court
DIR By: FuzzyDuck
Date: August 27, 2024, 8:21 am
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You might want to delete the bits before "Hello I'm a bit
puzzled".
#Post#: 34707--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speed ticket paid . Refunded and now court
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: August 27, 2024, 8:36 am
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What you need to do is to plead guilty in response to the SJPN.
In the "mitigation" section add that you were offered a fixed
penalty and accepted it, complying with its conditions by
paying the £100 and submitting your licence details. Ask the
court if they would consider sentencing you at the equivalent to
the fixed penalty as this seems to be an administrative error
which occurred outside your control.
As an aside, I assume you submitted your DL details after you
had been offered the fixed penalty and did not assume that
submitting those details when you first confirmed you were the
driver was sufficient. You need to submit your DL details twice.
#Post#: 34712--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speed ticket paid . Refunded and now court
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: August 27, 2024, 9:01 am
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--- Quote from: Gabemexx link ---
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> I did send via recorded delivery all the info they wanted
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1/ Was this the licence holder details as required on the CoFP
(not original NIP/S172 request? Dates on the tracking receipt
will give a clue).
2/ Does the PO tracking indicate they were delivered or not?
IF (and that's a IF ) You fully complied with the terms of the
offer you should/could plead not guilty as they are barred from
raising a court case if you did.
--- Quote from: Gabemexx link ---
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> I guess ill have to phone citizen advice?
>
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I wouldn't, you'll get much better and more experienced advise
on here.
--- Quote from: Gabemexx link ---
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> I guess they want to charge me more?
>
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No they think you didn't fully comply with the terms of the
offer so couldn't process it.
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Re: Speed ticket paid . Refunded and now court
DIR By: Gabemexx
Date: August 27, 2024, 9:07 am
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Yes on the First two questions. I pleaded guilty tho already as
I thought the meant about the penalty
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Re: Speed ticket paid . Refunded and now court
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: August 27, 2024, 9:22 am
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--- Quote from: Gabemexx link ---
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> as I thought the meant about the penalty
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Not sure what that means.
If you are sure you fully complied then you could consider
changing your plea. But you would need to convince the court
you fully complied, if the Police can pull out the licence
details you provided and show an omission it would sink your
case.
#Post#: 34722--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speed ticket paid . Refunded and now court
DIR By: BertB
Date: August 27, 2024, 10:25 am
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What information is supplied with the SJPN? There should be a
statement regarding non-receipt/non inclusion of DL details.
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Re: Speed ticket paid . Refunded and now court
DIR By: Gabemexx
Date: August 27, 2024, 4:41 pm
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--- Quote from: BertB link ---
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> What information is supplied with the SJPN? There should be a
statement regarding non-receipt/non inclusion of DL details.
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Honestly there was the letter I signed saying they wanted the
driving licence number and I followed all the steps. I checked
and re checked. And the pleading guilty form. And the pic of
the penalty with my car
#Post#: 34769--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speed ticket paid . Refunded and now court
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: August 28, 2024, 1:57 am
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--- Quote from: Gabemexx link ---
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> Honestly there was the letter I signed saying they wanted the
driving licence number and I followed all the steps.
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There are two separate 'letters' (they have headings, using them
helps us know which letter you refer to) you needed to have
returned with that information, that you only have one suggests
they don't have the second.
The first was the S172 response to the NIP, we know they had
that as they then progressed to the Fixed Penalty offer, if they
hadn't got the S172 they wouldn't have offered a fixed penalty.
Then you had to provide the details AGAIN in response to the
CoFP. Is that 'letter' in the pack or not. Was that the one
you sent Recorded? Or the first?
#Post#: 34773--------------------------------------------------
Re: Speed ticket paid . Refunded and now court
DIR By: tonys
Date: August 28, 2024, 2:07 am
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If you literally complied with terms of fixed penalty offer,
then I think they're barred from prosecuting the same offence.
Before pursuing that option it would be as well to share
everything here and make sure the experts agree.
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