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#Post#: 34541--------------------------------------------------
PCN Broadstairs Botany Bay - CPM
DIR By: S.M
Date: August 25, 2024, 1:27 pm
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The 2 drivers were parked on Kingsgate Avenue
Driver 1 - By the bush on the left handside when facing the sea
before the dropped kerb -
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Driver 2 - Further up Opposite Door number 102 -
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No road markings just some signs which is scattered all around
the road.
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What should be the drivers next course of action? The PCN were
attached to the 2 cars.
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#Post#: 34543--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Broadstairs Botany Bay - CPM
DIR By: mickR
Date: August 25, 2024, 1:37 pm
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> What should be the drivers next course of action
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well first off you should read the sticky that says...
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
then post up the actual PCNs.
just for other members info
Kingsgate Avenue is a private road on a private estate.
#Post#: 34547--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Broadstairs Botany Bay - CPM
DIR By: S.M
Date: August 25, 2024, 2:46 pm
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> [quote author=S.M link=topic=2922.msg34541#msg34541
date=1724610472]
> What should be the drivers next course of action
>
--- End Quote ---
well first off you should read the sticky that says...
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
then post up the actual PCNs.
just for other members info
Kingsgate Avenue is a private road on a private estate.
[/quote]
Hi - Updated the first post - btw how can you decipher whether
it is a private estate or a public road?
#Post#: 34550--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Broadstairs Botany Bay - CPM
DIR By: b789
Date: August 25, 2024, 3:10 pm
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--- Quote from: S.M link ---
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>
> Hi - Updated the first post - btw how can you decipher whether
it is a private estate or a public road?
>
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At the entrance to the land, there should be a sign clearly
stating that the driver is entering private land and the sign
should tell the driver to see the signs with the terms and
conditions. Was there a sign at the entrance or was so
inconspicuous that the driver could not notice it?
For now, do nothing. Wait for them to send a Notice to Keeper
(NtK). They must not send it before 28 days after the alleged
contravention. They must send it before 56 days after the
alleged contravention.
How prominent were the signs? Do they adequately notify the
driver of the charge for breaching the terms and conditions?
Does the sign you’ve shown us mention how to obtain a permit for
parking? If not, no contract can have been formed.
All stuff to be used in any appeal after the NtK is received.
#Post#: 34554--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Broadstairs Botany Bay - CPM
DIR By: S.M
Date: August 25, 2024, 3:29 pm
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--- Quote from: b789 link ---
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> [quote author=S.M link=topic=2922.msg34547#msg34547
date=1724615206]
>
> Hi - Updated the first post - btw how can you decipher whether
it is a private estate or a public road?
>
--- End Quote ---
At the entrance to the land, there should be a sign clearly
stating that the driver is entering private land and the sign
should tell the driver to see the signs with the terms and
conditions. Was there a sign at the entrance or was so
inconspicuous that the driver could not notice it?
For now, do nothing. Wait for them to send a Notice to Keeper
(NtK). They must not send it before 28 days after the alleged
contravention. They must send it before 56 days after the
alleged contravention.
How prominent were the signs? Do they adequately notify the
driver of the charge for breaching the terms and conditions?
Does the sign you’ve shown us mention how to obtain a permit for
parking? If not, no contract can have been formed.
All stuff to be used in any appeal after the NtK is received.
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Noted - So the driver was driving through marine drive to find a
parking and this sign
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/>must have been blocked by other cars on the day as it was very
busy with loads of vehicles everywhere.
There were no advice on how to obtain permit and the only sign
was the one in the picture in first post.
#Post#: 34570--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Broadstairs Botany Bay - CPM
DIR By: WhoLetTheScamsOut
Date: August 25, 2024, 8:19 pm
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OP or mod can someone take down OPs windscreen ticket as it
shows both pcn number and reg
#Post#: 34605--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Broadstairs Botany Bay - CPM
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: August 26, 2024, 9:25 am
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> OP or mod can someone take down OPs windscreen ticket as it
shows both pcn number and reg
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Done - OP please Re-upload with said details obscured.
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Re: PCN Broadstairs Botany Bay - CPM
DIR By: mickR
Date: August 26, 2024, 10:54 am
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> [quote author=mickR link=topic=2922.msg34543#msg34543
date=1724611073]
> [quote author=S.M link=topic=2922.msg34541#msg34541
date=1724610472]
> What should be the drivers next course of action
>
--- End Quote ---
well first off you should read the sticky that says...
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
then post up the actual PCNs.
just for other members info
Kingsgate Avenue is a private road on a private estate.
[/quote]
Hi - Updated the first post - btw how can you decipher whether
it is a private estate or a public road?
[/quote]
the signs at the top and bottom of Kingsgate avenue and Fitzroy
avenue state its a private road.
AFAIK it's resident permits only maybe resident visitors permits
are available.
the reason the digns are set back up Kingsgate ave is to allow
parking in the side car park.of the pub.
#Post#: 34623--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Broadstairs Botany Bay - CPM
DIR By: S.M
Date: August 26, 2024, 12:06 pm
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
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> [quote author=WhoLetTheScamsOut
link=topic=2922.msg34570#msg34570 date=1724635179]
> OP or mod can someone take down OPs windscreen ticket as it
shows both pcn number and reg
>
--- End Quote ---
Done - OP please Re-upload with said details obscured.
[/quote]
Are you able to edit the first post to include this please -
thank you
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#Post#: 37925--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Broadstairs Botany Bay - CPM
DIR By: S.M
Date: September 23, 2024, 6:30 am
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I have just received this PCn dated 19th September. It is not a
Ntk as previously suggested.
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