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#Post#: 2500--------------------------------------------------
Re: 01 - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
(Reading Broad Street)
DIR By: guest179
Date: August 3, 2023, 3:19 am
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You posted:
I had been swapping gas bottles at the nose of the trailer when
the pcn was attached, and as soon as I saw parking attendant I
asked why he had issued a ticket when I was a trader loading and
preparing to tow the trailer away.
He apologised saying he had not realised the van belong to a
trader and had not seen me before issuing the ticket. He went on
to say he would make note and advised me to contest the ticket.
But they rejected your challenge:
Also, 'One month later I received a letter repeating that they
had written to me following my challenge'
Post your initial reps and their reply pl. if you don't have
their reply to hand then contact them and get a copy.
Let's target any formal reps against their argument and not
reinvent the wheel.
#Post#: 2543--------------------------------------------------
Re: 01 - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
(Reading Broad Street)
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: August 3, 2023, 4:48 pm
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--- Quote from: Ugly duckling link ---
>
>
> You posted:
> I had been swapping gas bottles at the nose of the trailer
when the pcn was attached, and as soon as I saw parking
attendant I asked why he had issued a ticket when I was a trader
loading and preparing to tow the trailer away.
>
> He apologised saying he had not realised the van belong to a
trader and had not seen me before issuing the ticket. He went on
to say he would make note and advised me to contest the ticket.
>
> But they rejected your challenge:
>
> Also, 'One month later I received a letter repeating that they
had written to me following my challenge'
>
> Post your initial reps and their reply pl. if you don't have
their reply to hand then contact them and get a copy.
>
> Let's target any formal reps against their argument and not
reinvent the wheel.
>
--- End Quote ---
Definitely not. I'm the new kid on the block. The old boys have
the parking brigade in their pockets and won't want to rock the
boat
#Post#: 2571--------------------------------------------------
Re: 01 - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
(Reading Broad Street)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 4, 2023, 6:57 am
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--- Quote from: DontStandForNonsense link ---
>
> We tow the trailer to and from the location at the start of
every day
>
--- End Quote ---
So it's not just you. Who is "we"?
Can you show us a photo of this trailer?
What goods are exchanged between the van and the trailer? Where
do you get those goods from to begin with?
If goods are sold from the trailer, presumably there's a cash
register, bank statements for card transactions etc?
#Post#: 2674--------------------------------------------------
Re: 01 - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
(Reading Broad Street)
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: August 6, 2023, 2:10 am
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--- Quote from: DontStandForNonsense link ---
>
> [quote author=Ugly duckling link=topic=289.msg2500#msg2500
date=1691050746]
>
> You posted:
> I had been swapping gas bottles at the nose of the trailer
when the pcn was attached, and as soon as I saw parking
attendant I asked why he had issued a ticket when I was a trader
loading and preparing to tow the trailer away.
>
> He apologised saying he had not realised the van belong to a
trader and had not seen me before issuing the ticket. He went on
to say he would make note and advised me to contest the ticket.
>
> But they rejected your challenge:
>
> Also, 'One month later I received a letter repeating that they
had written to me following my challenge'
>
> Post your initial reps and their reply pl. if you don't have
their reply to hand then contact them and get a copy.
>
> Let's target any formal reps against their argument and not
reinvent the wheel.
>
--- End Quote ---
Definitely not. I'm the new kid on the block. The old boys have
the parking brigade in their pockets and won't want to rock the
boat
[/quote]
HIya, I don't have what I original wrote to them because it was
through their portal. I just write it directly there. In terms
of what I received from them, all I've had are the 2 letters in
my original post. 1 Where they tell me the cost has gone up and
the second where they said they will allow me to pay at the
original price.
#Post#: 2675--------------------------------------------------
Re: 01 - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
(Reading Broad Street)
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: August 6, 2023, 2:23 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> [quote author=DontStandForNonsense
link=topic=289.msg2493#msg2493 date=1691020866]
> We tow the trailer to and from the location at the start of
every day
>
--- End Quote ---
So it's not just you. Who is "we"?
Me and/or my staff
Can you show us a photo of this trailer?
Really just a box catering trailer. Parking services will be
well aware of it. My trailer and those of others will be seen by
their staff as well as CCTV 5 days per week.
What goods are exchanged between the van and the trailer?
Stock, food prepped off-site, utensils washed off-site, gas,
water gallons, quite a few items.
Where do you get those goods from to begin with?
Wholesalers as and when our stock in the store run low (in other
words, they are delivered to us elsewhere and usually not on the
day we need them at the trailer.)
If goods are sold from the trailer, presumably there's a cash
register, bank statements for card transactions etc?
[/quote]
Yes there is. But to be honest, as I mentioned earlier, they
would be well aware of our trailer. It is just that the new
warden didn't know the van belonged to the trailer so he issued
a ticket. Now it feels like parking services are reluctant to
back down because that is how they operate. I could provide them
with a picture of my trailer attached to my van, or a video or
me doing all of the loading or unloading activities as would
have been done that day. I'm sure they could also request CCTV
from the councils department but then that would probably expose
the fact that they let all of the other 4 traders off that
day...or worse, let them drag their heels EVERY day!
#Post#: 2718--------------------------------------------------
Re: 01 - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
(Reading Broad Street)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 6, 2023, 9:00 am
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--- Quote from: DontStandForNonsense link ---
>
> Yes there is. But to be honest, as I mentioned earlier, they
would be well aware of our trailer. It is just that the new
warden didn't know the van belonged to the trailer so he issued
a ticket. Now it feels like parking services are reluctant to
back down because that is how they operate. I could provide them
with a picture of my trailer attached to my van, or a video or
me doing all of the loading or unloading activities as would
have been done that day. I'm sure they could also request CCTV
from the councils department but then that would probably expose
the fact that they let all of the other 4 traders off that
day...or worse, let them drag their heels EVERY day!
>
--- End Quote ---
Right, that's not how parking enforcement works.
Everything that "they would be well aware of" is irrelevant, the
only thing that matters is what you put in the representations.
The consideration of representations may well be outsourced to
somebody sitting in an office block 500 miles away, you must
assume the person reading the representations knows nothing at
all.
So, please stop making a fuss about how unfair life is, and
start putting your evidence together. A video showing you
loading and unloading on a different day would be a good start,
together with all the other bits of evidence I suggested.
Please post a list on here of what you can provide (bank
statements and receipts from suppliers are particularly relevant
to show you're running a business), and I will draft a
representation for you.
#Post#: 2738--------------------------------------------------
Re: 01 - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
(Reading Broad Street)
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: August 6, 2023, 1:34 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> [quote author=DontStandForNonsense
link=topic=289.msg2675#msg2675 date=1691306580]
> Yes there is. But to be honest, as I mentioned earlier, they
would be well aware of our trailer. It is just that the new
warden didn't know the van belonged to the trailer so he issued
a ticket. Now it feels like parking services are reluctant to
back down because that is how they operate. I could provide them
with a picture of my trailer attached to my van, or a video or
me doing all of the loading or unloading activities as would
have been done that day. I'm sure they could also request CCTV
from the councils department but then that would probably expose
the fact that they let all of the other 4 traders off that
day...or worse, let them drag their heels EVERY day!
>
--- End Quote ---
Right, that's not how parking enforcement works.
Everything that "they would be well aware of" is irrelevant, the
only thing that matters is what you put in the representations.
The consideration of representations may well be outsourced to
somebody sitting in an office block 500 miles away, you must
assume the person reading the representations knows nothing at
all.
So, please stop making a fuss about how unfair life is, and
start putting your evidence together. A video showing you
loading and unloading on a different day would be a good start,
together with all the other bits of evidence I suggested.
Please post a list on here of what you can provide (bank
statements and receipts from suppliers are particularly relevant
to show you're running a business), and I will draft a
representation for you.
[/quote]
Thank you. Life isn't unfair, but the system of enforcement
definitely seems set up that way.
I can provide them with copies of receipts and bank statements.
Better than that, I can provide them with a copy of my trading
license that affirms the days and times I operate at that given
location. I could take a video of the van in relation to the
catering trailer as I typically park it when moving goods to and
from the van.
#Post#: 2751--------------------------------------------------
Re: 01 - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
(Reading Broad Street)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: August 6, 2023, 3:12 pm
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--- Quote from: DontStandForNonsense link ---
>
> [quote author=cp8759 link=topic=289.msg2718#msg2718
date=1691330441]
> [quote author=DontStandForNonsense
link=topic=289.msg2675#msg2675 date=1691306580]
> Yes there is. But to be honest, as I mentioned earlier, they
would be well aware of our trailer. It is just that the new
warden didn't know the van belonged to the trailer so he issued
a ticket. Now it feels like parking services are reluctant to
back down because that is how they operate. I could provide them
with a picture of my trailer attached to my van, or a video or
me doing all of the loading or unloading activities as would
have been done that day. I'm sure they could also request CCTV
from the councils department but then that would probably expose
the fact that they let all of the other 4 traders off that
day...or worse, let them drag their heels EVERY day!
>
--- End Quote ---
Right, that's not how parking enforcement works.
Everything that "they would be well aware of" is irrelevant, the
only thing that matters is what you put in the representations.
The consideration of representations may well be outsourced to
somebody sitting in an office block 500 miles away, you must
assume the person reading the representations knows nothing at
all.
So, please stop making a fuss about how unfair life is, and
start putting your evidence together. A video showing you
loading and unloading on a different day would be a good start,
together with all the other bits of evidence I suggested.
Please post a list on here of what you can provide (bank
statements and receipts from suppliers are particularly relevant
to show you're running a business), and I will draft a
representation for you.
[/quote]
Thank you. Life isn't unfair, but the system of enforcement
definitely seems set up that way.
I can provide them with copies of receipts and bank statements.
Better than that, I can provide them with a copy of my trading
license that affirms the days and times I operate at that given
location. I could take a video of the van in relation to the
catering trailer as I typically park it when moving goods to and
from the van.
[/quote]
Now we're getting somewhere ! Strong collateral is very
important in refuting the council case.
#Post#: 2762--------------------------------------------------
Re: 01 - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
(Reading Broad Street)
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 6, 2023, 4:25 pm
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--- Quote from: DontStandForNonsense link ---
>
> Thank you. Life isn't unfair, but the system of enforcement
definitely seems set up that way.
>
--- End Quote ---
Well that's why we're here. Given your account and the trading
licence I don't think a video is necessary, a few photos will be
more than enough. Draft representations for when the Notice to
Owner is re-issued:
[indent]
Dear Reading Borough Council,
I challenge liability for PCN RG2669245A because the alleged
contravention did not occur. I am a trader authorised to operate
at this location, I attach a copy of my trading licence,
together with bank statements and receipts as proof of trade.
I use the van to tow my trailer and also to carry goods that are
then loaded into the trailer, at the material time I had been
swapping gas bottles at the nose of the trailer, as soon as I
saw the civil enforcement officer I asked why he had issued a
ticket when I was a trader loading and preparing to tow the
trailer away.
He apologised saying he had not realised the van belong to a
trader and had not seen me before issuing the ticket. He went on
to say he would make note and advised me to contest the ticket,
so I trust his notes will reflect the same.
I attach photos showing my van and the trailer in question.
In light of the above I invite you to cancel the penalty charge.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
However, you must first follow the steps I explained on August
2nd
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/01-parked-in-a-restricted-street-during-prescribed-hours-(reading-broad-street)/msg2475/#msg2475<br
/>to get the Notice to Owner re-issued.
The 21 days since their letter of 14 July have already expired
so I'd expect the case to progress at some point next week, so
I'd suggest checking the amount due on the council website on
Friday or Saturday.
#Post#: 2908--------------------------------------------------
Re: 01 - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
(Reading Broad Street)
DIR By: DontStandForNonsense
Date: August 8, 2023, 8:40 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> [quote author=DontStandForNonsense
link=topic=289.msg2738#msg2738 date=1691346843]
> Thank you. Life isn't unfair, but the system of enforcement
definitely seems set up that way.
>
--- End Quote ---
Well that's why we're here. Given your account and the trading
licence I don't think a video is necessary, a few photos will be
more than enough. Draft representations for when the Notice to
Owner is re-issued:
[indent]
Dear Reading Borough Council,
I challenge liability for PCN RG2669245A because the alleged
contravention did not occur. I am a trader authorised to operate
at this location, I attach a copy of my trading licence,
together with bank statements and receipts as proof of trade.
I use the van to tow my trailer and also to carry goods that are
then loaded into the trailer, at the material time I had been
swapping gas bottles at the nose of the trailer, as soon as I
saw the civil enforcement officer I asked why he had issued a
ticket when I was a trader loading and preparing to tow the
trailer away.
He apologised saying he had not realised the van belong to a
trader and had not seen me before issuing the ticket. He went on
to say he would make note and advised me to contest the ticket,
so I trust his notes will reflect the same.
I attach photos showing my van and the trailer in question.
In light of the above I invite you to cancel the penalty charge.
Yours faithfully,
[/indent]
However, you must first follow the steps I explained on August
2nd
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/01-parked-in-a-restricted-street-during-prescribed-hours-(reading-broad-street)/msg2475/#msg2475<br
/>to get the Notice to Owner re-issued.
The 21 days since their letter of 14 July have already expired
so I'd expect the case to progress at some point next week, so
I'd suggest checking the amount due on the council website on
Friday or Saturday.
[/quote]
Thank you very much for this. I just checked and the charge is
has gone to £70 for the discounted half price is no longer an
option. So now I just wait till I receive the NTO before filling
the firm you mentioned
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