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#Post#: 33978--------------------------------------------------
NOIP: Speeding Exceed 30 MPH on restricted road
DIR By: GrittedTeeth
Date: August 20, 2024, 5:50 pm
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I wonder if anyone can help out. I am posting this on behalf of
my son who was 'captured' doing 43 in a 30mph zone. It was one
of those country lanes where the speed restriction went from 40
to 30mph. The repercussions for him is severe in that as a young
driver, getting three points on his licence brings him to 50% of
the way to having his licence revoked. Frustratingly he tried to
deal with things himself, but I have managed to gather what I
can from his NOIP letters. What is interesting about this is
that you either pay or plead your case in a court. There is no
offer of a speed awareness course. Is this normal?
Another thing that is unusual is that the site no longer
contains the photos of the offence. The url now takes you
straight to the payment
I have attached tried to attach some documents which I hope will
help
#Post#: 33979--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP: Speeding Exceed 30 MPH on restricted road
DIR By: FuzzyDuck
Date: August 20, 2024, 5:56 pm
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--- Quote from: GrittedTeeth link ---
> What is interesting about this is that you either pay or plead
your case in a court. There is no offer of a speed awareness
course. Is this normal?
>
--- End Quote ---
Perfectly normal, 43 in 30 is 1 MPH too fast for a course.
#Post#: 33981--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP: Speeding Exceed 30 MPH on restricted road
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: August 20, 2024, 6:13 pm
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--- Quote from: GrittedTeeth link ---
>
> Frustratingly he tried to deal with things himself, but I have
managed to gather what I can from his NOIP letters.
>
--- End Quote ---
Send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance.
#Post#: 33987--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP: Speeding Exceed 30 MPH on restricted road
DIR By: The Slithy Tove
Date: August 21, 2024, 1:35 am
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--- Quote from: GrittedTeeth link ---
> Frustratingly he tried to deal with things himself, but I have
managed to gather what I can from his NOIP letters.
>
--- End Quote ---
So, what has been done so far to "deal with things"?
There were no attachments to your post.
#Post#: 33988--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP: Speeding Exceed 30 MPH on restricted road
DIR By: Freecall
Date: August 21, 2024, 2:02 am
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--- Quote from: GrittedTeeth link ---
>
>
> .....doing 43 in a 30mph zone.
>
> ....getting three points on his licence brings him to 50% of
the way to having his licence revoked.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
43 mph in a 30 mph speed limit is 4-6 points not 3.
#Post#: 33989--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP: Speeding Exceed 30 MPH on restricted road
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: August 21, 2024, 2:05 am
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--- Quote from: GrittedTeeth link ---
>
> Frustratingly he tried to deal with things himself, but I have
managed to gather what I can from his NOIP letters. What is
interesting about this is that you either pay or plead your case
in a court.
>
--- End Quote ---
So let's fill in the gaps..
1/ He got a NIP - details, location and dates of event and
paperwork would help.
2/ It seemed he replied naming the driver as he now appears to
have a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty?
3/ for 43 in a 30 that is not really 'interesting' it's
perfectly normal, too fast for a course.
4/ Absent an identified defence the fixed penalty (and if he
accepts it make sure he reads the instructions for sending off
the licence details carefully - and complies!) is all but
certain to be the cheapest and least painful option, financially
and that it would be 3 points, in court 4 or 5.
5/ That may take him half way to licence revocation, it's the
point of the legislation, so perhaps take the time to identify
with him why he was speeding so he can learn and not do it
again, most common causes for speeding are not a conscious
decision but a careless one.
Common reasons for speeding we see on the forums - hope this
helps.
1/ Not understanding how limits are signed particularly for
restricted roads (system of street lighting every 183m/200 yards
or less) where the street lights are the 'sign' for the driver
it's a 30 limit. Unless repeater signs indicate a higher limit
applies.
2/ Thinking dual carriageways are 40 'just because' they are
dual carriageways so not a 30 'surely'.
3/ Not actually paying attention to limit signs but 'it didn't
feel like I was speeding'.
#Post#: 33990--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP: Speeding Exceed 30 MPH on restricted road
DIR By: morris-man
Date: August 21, 2024, 2:06 am
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--- Quote from: Freecall link ---
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> [quote author=GrittedTeeth link=topic=2874.msg33978#msg33978
date=1724194229]
>
> .....doing 43 in a 30mph zone.
>
> ....getting three points on his licence brings him to 50% of
the way to having his licence revoked.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
43 mph in a 30 mph speed limit is 4-6 points not 3.
[/quote]
No it's not unless you take it to court and plead not guilty, a
Fixed Penalty od £100/3pts will be offered
#Post#: 33992--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP: Speeding Exceed 30 MPH on restricted road
DIR By: 666
Date: August 21, 2024, 2:13 am
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--- Quote from: Freecall link ---
>
> [quote author=GrittedTeeth link=topic=2874.msg33978#msg33978
date=1724194229]
>
> .....doing 43 in a 30mph zone.
>
> ....getting three points on his licence brings him to 50% of
the way to having his licence revoked.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
43 mph in a 30 mph speed limit is 4-6 points not 3.
[/quote]
Only if it goes to court. Otherwise it's an FP, 3 points and
£100.
#Post#: 34010--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP: Speeding Exceed 30 MPH on restricted road
DIR By: Freecall
Date: August 21, 2024, 5:20 am
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--- Quote from: 666 link ---
>
> [quote author=Freecall link=topic=2874.msg33988#msg33988
date=1724223755]
> [quote author=GrittedTeeth link=topic=2874.msg33978#msg33978
date=1724194229]
>
> .....doing 43 in a 30mph zone.
>
> ....getting three points on his licence brings him to 50% of
the way to having his licence revoked.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
43 mph in a 30 mph speed limit is 4-6 points not 3.
[/quote]
Only if it goes to court. Otherwise it's an FP, 3 points and
£100.
[/quote]
Yes but the implication of the OP's post is that his son may not
accept the CoFP because of the non-availability of a course.
The concern is that he had not fully understood the implications
of not doing so.
#Post#: 34085--------------------------------------------------
Re: NOIP: Speeding Exceed 30 MPH on restricted road
DIR By: GrittedTeeth
Date: August 21, 2024, 3:21 pm
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Ok so from the responses it seems that the best option is to
accept the 3 points and £100. Is there any defence around the
fact that it was a 'manned' camera?
Hopefully these links work and they show the two NOIP's that I
have managed to get my hands on
HTML https://1drv.ms/b/c/a4fab795b7ba1645/ETU8NLR3BC5Js7AvuXA5gP0BC1-Wd_jWZohzxWUI8w5sRg
HTML https://1drv.ms/b/c/a4fab795b7ba1645/EbEAvSR7L4ZBpoaefkd0z7UBno5TVzTDCmUHjDaE89H6_g?e=prah9X
Your responses are truly appreciated
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