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Re: Newham PCN39388500
DIR By: MSS
Date: August 23, 2024, 11:31 am
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Could you please let me have the challenge to submit to the
council. Tomorrow is the 14 days limit.
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Re: Newham PCN39388500
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 23, 2024, 12:30 pm
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I would send the below. I've been out of the loop though so may
be missing something on event day challenges. Newham will reject
no matter what you say although it's weird that I can find no
record anywhere of an event day on 11 August.
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I am challenging the PCN on the grounds that the contravention
did not occur and may have been issued in error.
If the PCN was issued owing to the parking place being subject
to event day controls, I could find no mention at the location
of whether an event day was in operation and no indication by
the council of any way to find out.
I am aware that the previous day (10 August) was subject to an
event day as West Ham were playing but I can find nothing about
11 August.
My route to Litchfield Avenue was from the Bow roundabout
through High Street (A118) to Broadway then briefly to Romford
Road, left to Deanery Road to Litchfield Avenue.
I am aware that event days are signed below zone entry signs but
it seems that any sign must have been a long way from the
parking place on the busy A118 and it would seem to be wholly
unreasonable for you to rely on this alone to notify drivers of
restrictions in a large zone such that details of dates and zone
type are easily seen.
I ask should you reject this challenge to provide evidence of
reasonable signage for my case.
Otherwise I look forward to your early cancellation of this PCN.
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Re: Newham PCN39388500
DIR By: MSS
Date: August 24, 2024, 10:40 am
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Representation is sent and will let you know the outcome.
Thanks.
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Re: Newham PCN39388500
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 24, 2024, 12:04 pm
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My reading of the traffic sign in reply #2 is that 'event days'
only have effect if they are Mon-Sat, the effect being to extend
the hours. I cannot find anything which extends the restricted
days. If they wanted to do this then the sign should be
composite with two panels with the top dealing with Mon-Sat and
the lower dealing with Event Days.
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Re: Newham PCN39388500
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 24, 2024, 2:23 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
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> My reading of the traffic sign in reply #2 is that 'event
days' only have effect if they are Mon-Sat, the effect being to
extend the hours. I cannot find anything which extends the
restricted days. If they wanted to do this then the sign should
be composite with two panels with the top dealing with Mon-Sat
and the lower dealing with Event Days.
>
--- End Quote ---
That's a good point and not one I think we've made before.
Should say event days Mon-Sun to show difference in separate
plate.
Let's compare with Islington's Emirates stadium signage -
separate plates and lo and behold also a plate with a phone
number to call that tells you if it's an event day.
HTML https://i.ibb.co/4Zdq6Y3/Screenshot-2024-08-24-at-20-29-01.png
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Re: Newham PCN39388500
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 24, 2024, 3:39 pm
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Agreed.
I checked a few other stadiums'(are we allowed to say this
now!)local areas and in the main they follow the 2, or more,
panel form.
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Re: Newham PCN39388500
DIR By: MSS
Date: August 25, 2024, 6:19 am
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Did you suggest they should be using the 2, or more, panel form
in local areas and in the main. Thanks.
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Re: Newham PCN39388500
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: August 25, 2024, 6:42 am
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--- Quote from: MSS link ---
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> Did you suggest they should be using the 2, or more, panel
form in local areas and in the main. Thanks.
>
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I think now I would have challenged only on the sign but you can
still bring this in as I worded the challenge as post-PCN
homework. Point being you did initially think it didn't apply on
Sunday.
Newham would reject no matter what you challenged on provided it
was indeed an event day.
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Re: Newham PCN39388500
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: August 25, 2024, 11:06 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
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> [quote author=MSS link=topic=2838.msg34516#msg34516
date=1724584746]
> Did you suggest they should be using the 2, or more, panel
form in local areas and in the main. Thanks.
>
--- End Quote ---
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Newham would reject no matter what you challenged on provided it
was indeed an event day.
[/quote]
That's a cert.
I don't seem to be able to find any Newham site which is
definitive for event days.
Seems the London Stadium maintain a site for current and future
events in the Olympic Stadium but there is nothing historical.
And the Council say the site may not be accurate, is not under
their control and they are not responsible for errors and
ommisions.
The London Stadium site doesn't include events held in the park.
So how is a person supposed to be able to confirm an "event
day"?
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Re: Newham PCN39388500
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 22, 2024, 6:04 am
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Bases on the CEO photos I don't see how this PCN is sustainable,
signs in the bay always overrule zone signs:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/WRLI3pT.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/TUoty5k.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/kasQTw5.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Xg8TlFd.jpeg
[member=2489]MSS[/member] I've replied to your PM.
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