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       #Post#: 33297--------------------------------------------------
       Section 172 notice for careless driving
   DIR By: Bucksdriver
       Date: August 13, 2024, 5:23 pm
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       Hi all,
       I got a lovely section 172 notice (asking for driver details)
       from thames valley police today. This was bare bones on any info
       but basically said they were considering prosecution for
       "careless driving" and the location and date and time of the
       offence. Im confused as the offence was dated 20/05/24 and the
       date on the notice was 08/08/24. I wasnt stopped by an officer
       at the time and dont remember any incidents at all. So im in the
       dark atm. My confusion stems from the fact i didnt receive a nip
       within 14 days of the offence. It is now well over 50 days since
       it happened in fact. Im going to reply on the 172 with my
       details, as i know failing to provide details is a seperate
       offence but plan to add a cover letter asking if the offence
       will be time barred as i didnt receive a nip at all. Anyone have
       any experience of this and has anyone ever been prosecuted for
       careless driving without a nip?
       Any replies welcome
       #Post#: 33299--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
   DIR By: Southpaw82
       Date: August 13, 2024, 5:39 pm
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       Lots of people have been prosecuted for careless driving without
       being warned, normally because they have been involved in an
       accident. Ring any bells?
       #Post#: 33317--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
   DIR By: Bucksdriver
       Date: August 14, 2024, 2:48 am
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       I wasnt involved in any accident thats for sure. I guess im just
       gonna have to wait and see what happens after i return the 172
       notice. I honestly have no memory of any incidents at the
       location. I know i sometimes overtake traffic there, as there is
       a long run up to a roundabout and usually slow moving traffic
       leading up to it. I wonder if this could be something to do with
       it. I cant think of anything else if im honest. Ive been doing
       this route for nearly 10 years though and if conditions allow, i
       always overtake slower vehicles at this point...so wonder what
       the issue is. I guess i have the nervous wait now for the next
       letter.
       #Post#: 33318--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
   DIR By: tonys
       Date: August 14, 2024, 2:51 am
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       Is the car registered in your name and all details correct on
       the V5? If it was a company cr, or leased then only the first
       NIP to the registered keeper ever needs to be within 14 days.
       #Post#: 33320--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
   DIR By: Bucksdriver
       Date: August 14, 2024, 3:20 am
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       Im the registered keeper and own the vehicle outright. There is
       no issue with the notice being sent elsewhere incorrectly before
       i got this one. This also seems to be their first correspondence
       with me (not a follow up letter, with first being missed) and is
       just a 172 asking for driver details, rather then a nip aswell
       (which i believe they usually send nip and 172 together). So far
       as im concerned i havent been nipped for the offence so far....
       Anyone ever had this before? I read a few articles online and
       its stated that the offence of careless driving usually requires
       a verbal nip at time of offence or one sent by post within 14
       days of offence. I also read this doesn't apply if someone is
       hurt in an accident. I 100% have not been involved in an
       accident so im completely in the dark at the moment with it.
       Anyone had anything similar happen to them?
       #Post#: 33321--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
   DIR By: 666
       Date: August 14, 2024, 3:25 am
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       --- Quote from: Bucksdriver link ---
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       > I wasnt involved in any accident thats for sure. .
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       An accident is defined as "owing to the presence of a
       mechanically propelled vehicle" - you don't need actually to
       collide with anything, so it's quite possible not to know.
       #Post#: 33325--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
   DIR By: Bucksdriver
       Date: August 14, 2024, 4:20 am
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       Ok well, i guess i just need tvp to get back to me with
       circumstances and evidence then and see where to go from there.
       If im in the wrong then ill own the mistake. im just in the dark
       with this whole thing at the moment. I have a clean license, so
       im hoping if worst comes to worst to possibly accept a course or
       ticket and avoid court. Ill update once i hear back from them.
       #Post#: 33332--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
   DIR By: Southpaw82
       Date: August 14, 2024, 5:42 am
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       The police are under no obligation to tell you anything at this
       stage, though they may well do so. You are required to respond
       to the s 172 notice in any case.
       #Post#: 33337--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
   DIR By: ManxTom
       Date: August 14, 2024, 6:05 am
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       --- Quote from: Bucksdriver link ---
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       > Im the registered keeper and own the vehicle outright...
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Have you actually looked at your V5C to confirm that your name
       and - especially - your address are both recorded correctly?
       The name and address on that document are what are used to send
       out the first NIP.  Any discrepancy would explain delayed or
       missing paperwork.
       #Post#: 33339--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
   DIR By: ManxTom
       Date: August 14, 2024, 6:16 am
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       --- Quote from: Bucksdriver link ---
       >
       > ... I know i sometimes overtake traffic there, as there is a
       long run up to a roundabout and usually slow moving traffic
       leading up to it...
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       If you are using the approach to the roundabout to overtake slow
       moving traffic, could you possibly be using a right turn only
       lane but going straight on?
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