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#Post#: 33297--------------------------------------------------
Section 172 notice for careless driving
DIR By: Bucksdriver
Date: August 13, 2024, 5:23 pm
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Hi all,
I got a lovely section 172 notice (asking for driver details)
from thames valley police today. This was bare bones on any info
but basically said they were considering prosecution for
"careless driving" and the location and date and time of the
offence. Im confused as the offence was dated 20/05/24 and the
date on the notice was 08/08/24. I wasnt stopped by an officer
at the time and dont remember any incidents at all. So im in the
dark atm. My confusion stems from the fact i didnt receive a nip
within 14 days of the offence. It is now well over 50 days since
it happened in fact. Im going to reply on the 172 with my
details, as i know failing to provide details is a seperate
offence but plan to add a cover letter asking if the offence
will be time barred as i didnt receive a nip at all. Anyone have
any experience of this and has anyone ever been prosecuted for
careless driving without a nip?
Any replies welcome
#Post#: 33299--------------------------------------------------
Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: August 13, 2024, 5:39 pm
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Lots of people have been prosecuted for careless driving without
being warned, normally because they have been involved in an
accident. Ring any bells?
#Post#: 33317--------------------------------------------------
Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
DIR By: Bucksdriver
Date: August 14, 2024, 2:48 am
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I wasnt involved in any accident thats for sure. I guess im just
gonna have to wait and see what happens after i return the 172
notice. I honestly have no memory of any incidents at the
location. I know i sometimes overtake traffic there, as there is
a long run up to a roundabout and usually slow moving traffic
leading up to it. I wonder if this could be something to do with
it. I cant think of anything else if im honest. Ive been doing
this route for nearly 10 years though and if conditions allow, i
always overtake slower vehicles at this point...so wonder what
the issue is. I guess i have the nervous wait now for the next
letter.
#Post#: 33318--------------------------------------------------
Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
DIR By: tonys
Date: August 14, 2024, 2:51 am
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Is the car registered in your name and all details correct on
the V5? If it was a company cr, or leased then only the first
NIP to the registered keeper ever needs to be within 14 days.
#Post#: 33320--------------------------------------------------
Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
DIR By: Bucksdriver
Date: August 14, 2024, 3:20 am
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Im the registered keeper and own the vehicle outright. There is
no issue with the notice being sent elsewhere incorrectly before
i got this one. This also seems to be their first correspondence
with me (not a follow up letter, with first being missed) and is
just a 172 asking for driver details, rather then a nip aswell
(which i believe they usually send nip and 172 together). So far
as im concerned i havent been nipped for the offence so far....
Anyone ever had this before? I read a few articles online and
its stated that the offence of careless driving usually requires
a verbal nip at time of offence or one sent by post within 14
days of offence. I also read this doesn't apply if someone is
hurt in an accident. I 100% have not been involved in an
accident so im completely in the dark at the moment with it.
Anyone had anything similar happen to them?
#Post#: 33321--------------------------------------------------
Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
DIR By: 666
Date: August 14, 2024, 3:25 am
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--- Quote from: Bucksdriver link ---
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> I wasnt involved in any accident thats for sure. .
>
--- End Quote ---
An accident is defined as "owing to the presence of a
mechanically propelled vehicle" - you don't need actually to
collide with anything, so it's quite possible not to know.
#Post#: 33325--------------------------------------------------
Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
DIR By: Bucksdriver
Date: August 14, 2024, 4:20 am
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Ok well, i guess i just need tvp to get back to me with
circumstances and evidence then and see where to go from there.
If im in the wrong then ill own the mistake. im just in the dark
with this whole thing at the moment. I have a clean license, so
im hoping if worst comes to worst to possibly accept a course or
ticket and avoid court. Ill update once i hear back from them.
#Post#: 33332--------------------------------------------------
Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: August 14, 2024, 5:42 am
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The police are under no obligation to tell you anything at this
stage, though they may well do so. You are required to respond
to the s 172 notice in any case.
#Post#: 33337--------------------------------------------------
Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: August 14, 2024, 6:05 am
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--- Quote from: Bucksdriver link ---
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> Im the registered keeper and own the vehicle outright...
>
--- End Quote ---
Have you actually looked at your V5C to confirm that your name
and - especially - your address are both recorded correctly?
The name and address on that document are what are used to send
out the first NIP. Any discrepancy would explain delayed or
missing paperwork.
#Post#: 33339--------------------------------------------------
Re: Section 172 notice for careless driving
DIR By: ManxTom
Date: August 14, 2024, 6:16 am
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--- Quote from: Bucksdriver link ---
>
> ... I know i sometimes overtake traffic there, as there is a
long run up to a roundabout and usually slow moving traffic
leading up to it...
>
--- End Quote ---
If you are using the approach to the roundabout to overtake slow
moving traffic, could you possibly be using a right turn only
lane but going straight on?
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