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Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: bigbluffang
Date: July 30, 2023, 9:11 am
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Thanks so much for this. I will let you know what reply I
receive.
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Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: guest179
Date: July 30, 2023, 11:27 am
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Surely a driver may not stop on the parallel crossing which
constitutes all/the vast majority of the 14ft, therefore surely
this wasn't a legal exit option.
A driver's difficulty on approach is that whereas the YBJ
markings might be visible the extent of the prohibited parallel
crossing is more problematic.
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Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: MrChips
Date: July 31, 2023, 2:36 am
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I don't believe it's prohibited to stop on the crossing,
although it wouldn't be best practice. So long as there isn't
already a car blocking the exit, it's perfectly allowed to wait
in the box rather than sitting on the crossing (although given
the practice of most councils you'd probably still get a PCN in
the post which you'd then have to appeal, rather like this one).
Re this PCN, I'm happy the "vacant" space argument is the
strongest one but if/when that's rejected it might be worth
including a "turning right" exemption for the tribunal. From
the look of the angle of the car immediately in front it doesn't
look like it has fully aligned with the angle of the road it's
turning into. As per exemption, it's permitted to stop in the
box for the purpose of turning right if you are waiting behind
another vehicle also waiting to complete a right turn.
#Post#: 2228--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: guest179
Date: July 31, 2023, 4:43 am
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I think you'll find this applies:
1. The driver of a vehicle must not cause the vehicle or any
part of it to stop within the limits of a section 25 crossing
unless prevented from proceeding by circumstances beyond the
driver’s control or it is necessary to stop to avoid injury or
damage to persons or property.
#Post#: 2545--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 3, 2023, 6:12 pm
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--- Quote from: Ugly duckling link ---
>
>
> I think you'll find this applies:
>
> 1. The driver of a vehicle must not cause the vehicle or any
part of it to stop within the limits of a section 25 crossing
unless prevented from proceeding by circumstances beyond the
driver’s control or it is necessary to stop to avoid injury or
damage to persons or property.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think you'll find it doesn't: a section 25 crossing is defined
at Schedule 1 of the TSRGD
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/1/made
as
"a Puffin crossing or a Zebra crossing", the crossing at this
location is a Toucan crossing (also defined in Schedule 1).
#Post#: 3579--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: bigbluffang
Date: August 20, 2023, 10:09 am
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Hi Ivan, I have now received the Notice of Rejection for this
YBJ PCN.
Any advice on taking it to adjudicator?
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Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: bigbluffang
Date: August 20, 2023, 4:41 pm
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Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: October 8, 2023, 7:00 am
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Outcome
HTML https://drive.google.com/uc?id=12meJb39GAeR5Ae8Qe2r3g-7a9WjZh0FG.
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Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: DancingDad
Date: October 8, 2023, 8:30 am
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That'll do nicely!
#Post#: 7014--------------------------------------------------
Re: Yellow box junction PCN
DIR By: bigbluffang
Date: October 8, 2023, 11:39 am
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Hello Ivan
Thank you so much for your help on this YBJ appeal. I’m over the
moon with this result. :D
What you do is fantastic and you are definitely a Wizard of the
Highest Order.
TYTYTY
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