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#Post#: 33007--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: slapdash
Date: August 11, 2024, 5:21 pm
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--- Quote from: 8vaibhav link ---
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> Thanks, I will respond to the notice online.
>
> It seems even if there was a compelling reason to appeal
(faulty camera for example), the hassle of going to court would
rarely be worth it, unless too many points already on licence.
>
--- End Quote ---
A faulty camera would be an excellent reason to plead NG in
court.
The difficulty is demonstrating it it faulty. The defence needs
to do that.
#Post#: 33032--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: 8vaibhav
Date: August 12, 2024, 3:50 am
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--- Quote from: slapdash link ---
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> [quote author=8vaibhav link=topic=2786.msg32966#msg32966
date=1723386334]
> Thanks, I will respond to the notice online.
>
> It seems even if there was a compelling reason to appeal
(faulty camera for example), the hassle of going to court would
rarely be worth it, unless too many points already on licence.
>
--- End Quote ---
A faulty camera would be an excellent reason to plead NG in
court.
The difficulty is demonstrating it it faulty. The defence needs
to do that.
[/quote]
But even assuming you somehow have sure shot evidence of
camera's faultiness, hassle of court proceedings is severe
deterrent I would think. In my case the camera certificate
seemed to have very recent dates, so I doubt I can argue it was
faulty.
(modification) Just Read the other thread here and know best not
to bother thinking about challenging at all. Thanks all.
#Post#: 33055--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: August 12, 2024, 5:47 am
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--- Quote from: 8vaibhav link ---
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> But even assuming you somehow have sure shot evidence of
camera's faultiness, hassle of court proceedings is severe
deterrent I would think. In my case the camera certificate
seemed to have very recent dates, so I doubt I can argue it was
faulty.
>
--- End Quote ---
At no time during this thread have you suggested the speed
alleged was incorrect. So why are you exploring the idea that
the camera may have been faulty? Surely, before you do that, the
first question to ask yourself (and answer) is "what speed was I
doing?" If you believe you were doing 24mph or thereabouts it
would seem to suggest the camera is quite accurate and so the
question of its reliability becomes somewhat irrelevant.
You cannot simply "put the prosecution to proof" by asking them
to prove your guilt. If you do that, the camera is assumed to be
reliable unless it is proved otherwise and that proof will have
to come from you. That is considerably more than a "hassle".
#Post#: 33060--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: August 12, 2024, 5:55 am
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--- Quote from: NewJudge link ---
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> If you do that, The camera is assumed to be reliable unless it
is proved otherwise and that proof will have to come from you.
That is considerably more than a "hassle".
>
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Before you get all 'conspiracy theory' the same is held true for
all mechanical devices and even software (the Post Office
lobbied for software to be included in a review in the early
noughties - thus deeming Horizon accurate unless the contrary
was proven conveniently) and has been for a long time. So the
evidence of a measurement using a 12" rule is accurate unless
proven otherwise.
#Post#: 34747--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: 8vaibhav
Date: August 27, 2024, 4:43 pm
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Hello all, I see the following in my ndors account activity
(after having identified myself as the driver for the said
speeding incident). Can someone kindly advise what would be the
next steps?
Should I lookout for a letter or an email (neither has come till
now) for the £100 fixed penalty + 3 points, or is there another
possible outcome here?
Activity Date/Time:
22/08/2024 05:13
Actor:
METROPOLITAN POLICE
Activity:
Police Force METROPOLITAN POLICE undertook an eligibility check
for course National Speed Awareness Course with outcome not
eligible for course offer (reference number xxxxxxxxxxxxxx).
#Post#: 34770--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: August 28, 2024, 1:59 am
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It means they checked and found out you aren't eligible for
another course, exactly as it says.
So you can now expect an offer of a fixed penalty.
#Post#: 34775--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: 666
Date: August 28, 2024, 2:24 am
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--- Quote from: 8vaibhav link ---
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> Hello all, I see the following in my ndors account activity
(after having identified myself as the driver for the said
speeding incident). Can someone kindly advise what would be the
next steps?
> Should I lookout for a letter or an email (neither has come
till now) for the £100 fixed penalty + 3 points, or is there
another possible outcome here?
>
>
> Activity Date/Time:
> 22/08/2024 05:13
>
> Actor:
> METROPOLITAN POLICE
>
> Activity:
> Police Force METROPOLITAN POLICE undertook an eligibility
check for course National Speed Awareness Course with outcome
not eligible for course offer (reference number xxxxxxxxxxxxxx).
>
--- End Quote ---
You said above "I will respond to the notice online", and were
the advised that you should not.
If you did, the 'next steps' would probably be court action for
failure to identify the driver, in about six months time.
If you responded in writing within the time limit as required,
then the next step would normally be a fixed penalty offer.
#Post#: 34806--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: 8vaibhav
Date: August 28, 2024, 6:11 am
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I did respond by mailing the physical form.
Was just thinking since 22nd there has been time enough for them
to send next communication, seems it will come soon. Thanks.
#Post#: 34812--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: August 28, 2024, 6:30 am
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--- Quote from: 8vaibhav link ---
>
> there has been time enough for them to send next
communication,
>
--- End Quote ---
Well there has, but that would actually be a fast turnaround,
2-3 weeks is more normal.
#Post#: 35038--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: August 30, 2024, 6:35 am
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Are you asking us to tell you what the bit you posted says?
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