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#Post#: 32912--------------------------------------------------
NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: 8vaibhav
Date: August 10, 2024, 4:31 pm
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Hello good samaritans,
I have recieved an NIP today, please see below:
Front:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/FRPhOOz.jpg
Back:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/D6XAXt2.jpg
Bit of background:
1. I drive a leased vehicle and my details must have been shared
by keeper.
2. I got a previous speeding notice (caught by camera on 30th
April, completed speed awarenss course on 8th July, 2024).
It's interesting that this fresh alleged on the same vehicle
occured just 1 day BEFORE I completed the speed awareness
course. I don't know if this is relevant but thought I should
share. I had got a similar letter last time where I filled the
form and subsequently logged into ndors.org
I can still access my account on ndors.org, it doens't YET show
this new offense. I wasn't aware of this forum when I got the
letter last time but thought to post here before doing anything
at all this time. Please advise what's my best course of action
here.
#Post#: 32913--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: August 10, 2024, 4:38 pm
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No taking the course the day before makes no odds.
How on earth would this show on NDORS as you’ve not only not
taken a course for it but you haven’t even yet been identified
as the driver!
You’ll get a conditional offer of a fixed penalty once you
confirm you were driving, read the instructions on sending
licence details carefully!
#Post#: 32929--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: 8vaibhav
Date: August 11, 2024, 1:35 am
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--- Quote from: The Rookie link ---
>
> No taking the course the day before makes no odds.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks
--- Quote from: The Rookie link ---
>
> How on earth would this show on NDORS as you’ve not only not
taken a course for it but you haven’t even yet been identified
as the driver!
>
--- End Quote ---
I knew that, was just highlighting the obvious that I haven't
acted on the letter yet.
--- Quote from: The Rookie link ---
>
> You’ll get a conditional offer of a fixed penalty once you
confirm you were driving, read the instructions on sending
licence details carefully!
>
--- End Quote ---
So basically, I should simply fill the form and send back like
last time?
I suppose not worth challenging this, pay £100 and live with 3
points on my license for now?
#Post#: 32930--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: 666
Date: August 11, 2024, 2:19 am
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--- Quote from: 8vaibhav link ---
>
> [quote author=The Rookie link=topic=2786.msg32913#msg32913
date=1723325880]
> No taking the course the day before makes no odds.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks
--- Quote from: The Rookie link ---
>
> How on earth would this show on NDORS as you’ve not only not
taken a course for it but you haven’t even yet been identified
as the driver!
>
--- End Quote ---
I knew that, was just highlighting the obvious that I haven't
acted on the letter yet.
--- Quote from: The Rookie link ---
>
> You’ll get a conditional offer of a fixed penalty once you
confirm you were driving, read the instructions on sending
licence details carefully!
>
--- End Quote ---
So basically, I should simply fill the form and send back like
last time?
I suppose not worth challenging this, pay £100 and live with 3
points on my license for now?
[/quote]
You can't "challenge" it.
You either accept the FP (£100) or not. If not, you will be
referred to court, where you can plead not guilty. Unless you
have a good defence (which you haven't mentioned) you will be
found guilty, at a cost nearer £1,000.
#Post#: 32931--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: 8vaibhav
Date: August 11, 2024, 2:57 am
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--- Quote from: 666 link ---
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> Unless you have a good defence (which you haven't mentioned)
you will be found guilty, at a cost nearer £1,000.
>
--- End Quote ---
Many thanks, out of curiosity what can be a good defence? Faulty
speed camera/medical emergency?
I suppose even then if would require going to court, so just not
worth it, even if that.
Also, is there any grace allowed over 20mph?
#Post#: 32932--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: August 11, 2024, 3:21 am
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--- Quote from: 8vaibhav link ---
>
>
> Many thanks, out of curiosity what can be a good defence?
Faulty speed camera/medical emergency?
>
> I suppose even then if would require going to court, so just
not worth it, even if that.
>
> Also, is there any grace allowed over 20mph?
>
--- End Quote ---
There are lots of possible good defences, but as we don’t make
thinks up you can tell us of the scenario.
Technical defences would be a defective Traffic Regulation Order
(that sets the limit) or signage (that tells you of that limit).
Most speed cameras are very accurate, I’m not sure what type is
fitted on VE.
Yes,as in all limits grace is +10%+2mph so 24 in a 20, you were
caught at the lowest detected speed they enforce.
#Post#: 32941--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: baroudeur
Date: August 11, 2024, 6:05 am
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--- Quote from: The Rookie link ---
>
> [quote author=8vaibhav link=topic=2786.msg32931#msg32931
date=1723363078]
>
> Many thanks, out of curiosity what can be a good defence?
Faulty speed camera/medical emergency?
>
> I suppose even then if would require going to court, so just
not worth it, even if that.
>
> Also, is there any grace allowed over 20mph?
>
--- End Quote ---
There are lots of possible good defences, but as we don’t make
thinks up you can tell us of the scenario.
Technical defences would be a defective Traffic Regulation Order
(that sets the limit) or signage (that tells you of that limit).
Most speed cameras are very accurate, I’m not sure what type is
fitted on VE.
Yes,as in all limits grace is +10%+2mph so 24 in a 20, you were
caught at the lowest detected speed they enforce.
[/quote]
??
Grace is 10% + 1 and enforcement from 10% + 2?
#Post#: 32966--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: 8vaibhav
Date: August 11, 2024, 9:25 am
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Thanks, I will respond to the notice online.
It seems even if there was a compelling reason to appeal (faulty
camera for example), the hassle of going to court would rarely
be worth it, unless too many points already on licence.
#Post#: 32967--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: August 11, 2024, 9:25 am
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Enforcement starts at +10% +2mph, noting that as speed cameras
round down, that means no enforcement up to 23.99mph.
#Post#: 32974--------------------------------------------------
Re: NIP for speeding (24mph in 20mph zone) completed awareness
course 1 day before for previous offense
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: August 11, 2024, 10:48 am
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--- Quote from: 8vaibhav link ---
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> Thanks, I will respond to the notice online.
>
--- End Quote ---
It says: "Please return the filled in and signed document to the
address above."
You can only respond online if you were not the driver.
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